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I would think that everyone of those conversations also talked about QB at some point. Not just what we should do but also trying to gain insight into what other teams might be doing. Not that the other candidates are going to give away confidential information but any information is a plus.

I remember reading a tweet by Jeremiah early in the year, before Wilson moved up, that he had just watched a handful of games on all 3 guys, Trevor, Fields, and Lance, and that Lance was every bit as impressive. He has been high on Lance for awhile.

Also the further you get down the draft the bigger the tiers become. It might go something like: 1 > 2-7 > 8-15 > 16 -36 > 37-70> 71-120 When multiple players are left on your board in the same tier is when you really start to consider trading down. A huge questions for us is how the QBs are going to be ranked. Is one of them clearly in another tier than the other two? Also you get a lot more variance among how teams have said players rated. One teams 5th rounder can be another teams 7th rounder. I always find it amusing when fans talk about their team reaching late in the draft. At that point its almost impossible to really decide what a reach is.

Then it just further reinforces the idea that OL are hard to find. Just another reason we need to do everything we can to resign Moton.

Good point. Its pretty clear that he would view this years 1st a lot higher than future 1st. Very easy to believe we could be a middle of the road or better team next year. This might be our best chance to really move up and take advantage of the really high pick we have this year. A lot of years its not practical to move up to pick 2 or 3 even if you want. Having pick 8 gives us that chance. All of this is really going to be decided by how they grade Wilson, Fields, and Lance. If you like Wilson a lot, more than the other two guys, you trade up. If you think they are close you stay put and keep your picks, or you just trade up to 5. As fan we tend to get this opinion that one of the is a lot better than the others, I would think Wilson would be that for most people. In reality there is a chance they might fall in love with Lance. You have to remember the Seahawks fell in love with Wilson. Speaking of Wilson, the Seahawks do seem to do a good job of understand the draft as a whole and what other teams do. We always seemed in a hurry to get "our guy". I'm hoping that is different now.

Good point. Its pretty clear that he would view this years 1st a lot higher than future 1st. Very easy to believe we could be a middle of the road or better team next year. This might be our best chance to really move up and take advantage of the really high pick we have this year. A lot of years its not practical to move up to pick 2 or 3 even if you want. Having pick 8 gives us that chance. All of this is really going to be decided by how they grade Wilson, Fields, and Lance. If you like Wilson a lot, more than the other two guys, you trade up. If you think they are close you stay put and keep your picks, or you just trade up to 5. As fan we tend to get this opinion that one of the is a lot better than the others, I would think Wilson would be that for most people. In reality there is a chance they might fall in love with Lance. You have to remember the Seahawks fell in love with Wilson. Speaking of Wilson, the Seahawks do seem to do a good job of understand the draft as a whole and what other teams do. We always seemed in a hurry to get "our guy". I'm hoping that is different now.

He said he would do three 1st + CMC + Burns. I was just taking it to the next step and what point he would say no.

I found that interesting also. Maybe that is more of a philosophical idea instead of something that happens in practicality. There is some thought in the analytical community that drafting QBs often is a good use of draft picks, since the reward is so high. Think about what QBs get on the trade market, think about how much teams spend on back up QBs. You sign a backup vet QB for $4m a year or draft a backup QB for $600k a year, maybe the backup plays a few times, looks decent and you trade him down the road for basically the same pick you used to draft him. Either way I would really be shocked if we truly drafted/acquired one every year? I guess we need to go back and look at what the Seahawks actually did.

lol Like I said, we (not that it matters what we think) and the team have to decide what that cutoff is.

With our flat structure, even then, it will impossible to decide who is responsible.

Even with Cam we have always been inconstant, they have always pretty much always in the playoffs. If the difference between us and them is Wilson, does that mean Wilson was that much better than Cam?

Thats a valid answer, the team just has to decide what their cutoff is. three 1st round picks, I do it in a heartbeat three 1st round picks + CMC, still do it three 1st round picks + Burns + CMC you are starting to reach the point I might not I understand that Watson is a sure thing, but the goal is to field the best team. He might be a sure thing but if you give up too much its not a sure thing that you have a good team. At what point would you say no? three 1st + CMC + Burns + Brown?

How about Watson or Wilson + CMC + Burns + $100m in cap to spend over the next 5 years to add more players to help Wilson? (Basically you would use the three 1st to get Wilson instead of using them to trade up for Watson) I'm not saying there is a right or wrong answer, just when you start looking at opportunity cost the decisions get a little more difficult.

They allowed Russel to cover up a lot of the deficiencies of the O-line.

Fans, and some GMs get hung up on certain players. They believe the guy they can pick at 18 is exponentially better than the one they can pick at 22. They are afraid of losing out. Sounds like Seattle takes emotion out of it and says a guy we draft at 36, in reality, probably has about the same chance of a guy at 28 and because of that we will happily take an extra pick and trade down. I like that philosophy, but at the end of the day you still have to do a good job of evaluating.

weather he has watched tape or not he is aware of the perceived shortcomings of Teddy. These guys are aware of what is going on around the league even if he isn't I'm sure comments have been made by Tepper and/or Rhule. Its ludicrous to think during the interview process they never talked about Teddy. I'm sure he already has some opinion of Teddy.

Every coach and GM likes to talk about fixing the O-line, its what fans want to hear. What sounds better to the average fan? "I value the O-line" or "I value safeties'? I'll believe it when I see it. The fact we did trade a guard for a LT last year does give me some hope about the coaching staff though.

I've been saying it for awhile, people need to use common sense here. At the very least you would have to assume at least one or both of the Dolphins or Jets would be willing to give up 3 first. That should be everyone starting point for trying to come up with a better offer. The Jets 1st round pick by itself is equal to our next 3 1st round picks, so we would have to offer two players to cancel out the Jets next two 1st they are offering. Jets have 5 1st round picks the next three years (two this year), the dolphins have 4 over the next 3 (two this year), they also have Tua that could probably trade for a late 1st. Both teams could easily offer 3 first round picks and still have some left, too me, it would be an easy decision for them to make. I have to believe that offer will be on the table so as a Panther fan I need to come up with a better offer.

you trade a contract, not the player 17m for 2021, 20m for 2022, zero guaranteed? maybe a team later in the first round that misses out on drafting a player? Patriots? Colts? WFT? I'm trying to be positive here

Feels like the owner and HC are leaning towards the current QB not being the answer. Deciding you are going to do something is the getting out of the gate, the next part is deciding how you are going to try and run and the race, and that is somewhat fluid.

totally agree, and next years class by some accounts is weak. A team like Atlanta, for example, might would prefer to draft a QB next year but this might year might be a better option based on draft position and QB availability. Just seems like a perfect storm this year.

Totally agree, trying to force something to work would be the worst thing we could do.

I'm usually a fan of looking at history to predict the future, but this year seems different. First of all its a really good class of QBs, easily better than most years and the there does seem to be more teams in the QB market. There is a changing of the old guard, a lot of vet QBs that might get replaced soon. Teams like Pittsburg, Detroit, and New England, even Atlanta, they could draft someone and let them sit for a few years. You always have a handful of bad teams looking for QBs but this year there are some good franchises who are looking who normally don't. Also I think KC and Mahomes might be influencing some teams, maybe not building around an average QB is the best model. Teams might be looking to catch lightning in a bottle.

They have to bare some of that responsibility. It was either your idea or you allowed it. Last year should have been a rebuild year, period. Anyone who thought Teddy was a good use of resources was wrong, and anyone who allowed it was also wrong. At the very least it was a 3rd rounder and a $40m dollar mistake. When its all said it done you could probably make an argument it was even more. Paying a guy and expecting him to be anything more than what he has consistently shown in the recent past is just gambling and wishful thinking. Its how you end up with Matt Kalil contracts, and now Teddy.

The problem with us is we don't guarantee them a QB. They might only like 2 QBs in he draft so 8 they aren't guaranteed to get a replacement for Watson. If the Dolphins or Jets are interested they can easily make better offers than us because of having the 2nd and 3rd pick this year. Whether or not Watson wants to go there, that's a different story but all things equal that #2 pick by itself is probably more valuable than our next three 1st round picks. Jets 2021 1st + 2022 1st > Miami's 2021 1st + 2022 1st >>>>> Panthers 2021 1st + 2022 1st + 2023 1st or CMC Unless we want to include several of our young players its going to be hard for us to compete with either of those teams on draft picks alone. Also I think some might be overvaluing CMC, not every GM is a fan of a RB on a bad contract. Burns, Brown, and Moore also might be more enticing to some GMS, even Chinn might be valued as much. Their cap space isn't the best, good players on rookie deals would be more enticing.