AU-panther

Ahh, my bad

That was a very smart QB making sure his team gets the FG

I agree. This idea that they are going to look worse if they don't trade him is stupid, they all ready look really bad. Letting Watson and some other team fleece them would only add to that. Watson has enough leverage to force himself out, but he doesn't have enough leverage to force them to only accept an offer from one team. Once you have multiple teams the price goes up.

Normally I take the QB over about anything, but with their cap space so bad and missing draft picks because of bad trades in the past, trading Watson might actually be the best chance to get better. I'm not sure how easy it would be to build a great team around him. If they can get lucky and find a QB in the draft (big if), this might actually work out better for them. Honestly they might be thinking the same, even though they would never admit that. I find it interesting that so many articles are coming out, almost feels like they are trying to drum up business.

Unfortunately I think its going to take a 1st, I just think ours it too high. It makes a lot of sense for a team like Indy or the Patriots or the 49ers. Spend a 1st on Stafford or Trask? Spend a 1st on Stafford or Jones? You can see why that wouldn't be too hard to convince yourself to do. In some ways it is going to be hard for us to make that trade. We might feel like our #8 is to much, but what do we give instead. Next years 1st? Honestly I think Detroit is probably wanting a first this year that they can package with 7 and move up this year for a QB. A 2021 1st probably will be more attractive for that than a future one or multiple lower picks this year. I don't think a player is really that enticing for Detroit unless they can use that player to move up, but then the team you are trading with might not player. Just seems like a 1st this year is the best currency they can want if their goal is to move up in the draft.

If I'm the Texans and I can't fix it, I'm going full reboot. Hire a cheap, young coach that will take a shorter contract. Trade Watt. Try to trade Watson for picks over players. Get a young QB in the draft. Honestly trading for someone like CMC would be stupid. They need to be looking 3-4 years out. Cap space and draft picks are what they need. Use some of your limited cap space and picks on O-line to help rookie QB develop. They actually have some decent receivers. Everything screams they should be trying to convince Watson to take a deal to Dolphins or Jets.

That depends, I don’t have that stat for the rest of his career so we don’t know for sure. Do you have that stat, if not you are just assuming? If we don’t know for sure then it’s a possibility it’s been somewhat the norm.

He is a top 8-15 QB most years. There are a lot of teams who could do a lot worse. He will definitely have a market.

because some of the middle teams, such as Pittsburg, Indy, San Fran, and Pats aren't really in position to draft one of the top QBs If you are an above average team that thinks they are a better QB away from being a really good team what gives them a better chance? using their 1st on Stafford or Trask?

This forum is going to stroke when we have to give up multiple picks and CMC just to move up to 5 to pick Lance.

this graphic isn't talking about completions, its talking about accurate passes so the separation of the receiver isn't a factor. Might not be the full story, but its a good bit.

and Texans take back his signing bonus. Also if they give away Watson for nothing their fan base is also mad. Honestly both sides stand to lose, its a game of who blinks first, but this idea that Watson has all the leverage is misinformed.

and who still thinks QBs will fall this year?

The Jets don't have to be the best. Carolina makes a good offer. Miami makes a better offer. Jets make the best offer. Watson like the Miami offer the best. Texans say we will only accept the Jets offer. Watson says "go Jets!" If he really wants out he might talk himself into it.

The ones drafted out of the 1st round didn't even get the chance to be on the list.

exactly ^ Players and coaches at that level don't get there without ego. Fans have a bad habit of forming opinions based on the agenda they hope happens. Its stupid to not think Miami and the Jets would be at least be somewhat interested. Its also stupid to think Watson wouldn't be interested. Its also stupid to not realize they could both probably put together a better trade package than us.

Their PR is already pretty bad, if they let him go for nothing they will get bad PR for that also. If anything the longer it goes the more of the chance Watson's PR looks worse.

New GM and new coach, players can change their mind quickly, especially if they were a fan of the coach before he took the job. If you are mad at an organization for not valuing your opinion, wouldn't playing for a coach you had a high opinion of and winning with said coach validate the idea that your previous team should have listened to you. If anything, going to the Jets and winning, is the best situation for him to prove everyone that he was right.

Stafford being on that list doesn't make me too happy either if we are really considering him. If a QB doesn't play well under the best situation (clean pocket) he has to bare some of the responsibility of not playing well and isn't all the coaches' fault. Expecting a QB to be something(better) that he hasn't been in the past is how in ended up with Teddy. We need to quit trying to find the bargains. Either go after Watson or draft one in the first round (trade up if needed).

Mims played pretty good at WR for a rookie, Becton played pretty good at LT as a Rookie, add Watson and it wouldn't' take much at all. They could easily add a big time WR in free agency if they wanted. Somebody like Galladay, Robinson, or Godwin.

Its easy to make excuses for him since he plays for Jets, and to blame the coaching and players around him, but stats like this make me nervous.

They have 5 first round picks over the next three years, they can give up draft picks and still be in decent shape as far as draft capitol goes, better than us. They also have the 3rd most cap space this offseason in what should be a buyers market. They also look to have hit on their 1st rounder last year, a LT, and we all know how hard that is to find. I know their history isn't good but if he buys into the current front office and the new coach they are actually in a good spot as far as resources go.

Pretty confident in saying most scouting departments have ballpark grades on a lot of the guys a year out. Not sure if that is really a huge tactical advantage. Predicting what any team does on draft night is impossible, draft night is so fluid, one move ahead of you can have a trickle down affect that changes your entire draft. Maybe if they were picking one spot ahead of us he could make an educated guess on what they would do but not a huge deal with respective draft positions. He will have some insight on the type of players they value, but honestly Schneider and Carroll have been there so long most teams probably already know that. I want to say they value SPARQ alot, could be wrong. Maybe one of his previous scouts had been talking about some small school "gem", but even that is rare. Very few good players really fall through the scouting cracks.

IMO any package of picks that includes includes a pick this year that could let them draft a QB they really like would be more appealing to them than a package that does not. You at least need to give your fanbase some hope, they are going to be upset enough about losing Watson if it happens. At #4 Atlanta could potentially have a very valuable pick depending on how the board falls and depending on how Houston views the 2-3 QBs after Trevor. Maybe Houston decides that they Fields is the clear #2 QB, what if Fields falls to Atlanta's spot. Maybe Atlanta could put together a really attractive trade package. The cap math would be interesting, also I'm not sure if Houston would want Ryan or not. They could take him and let him start for a year or two? Outside of the Jets there is a good chance they wait to draft night to do anything if they do decide to do something. The value of the Dolphins, Falcons, and even our 1st round pick with be somewhat dependent on how the board falls. With the Jets pick they pretty much know they can have any QB outside of Trevor, they might not end up with the QB they really want.

I like Moore more than Brown but Brown has more time on rookie deal. Cap saved is cap I can spend to upgrade a different position.