AU-panther

I’m all for BPA (within reason) and I do agree that this team needs talent everywhere, but…. Our biggest single issue right now is the QB position and has been for some time. Wether it is Bryce, a vet, or some future draft pick we have to improve the offense to the level that we can properly evaluate whatever QB is under center. The QB position is the wildcard, it’s the position that almost has some luck involved. Don’t make it harder by not surrounding him with quality players. Once you figure out the offense you can improve the defense later. Think about it, it’s easier to fix a defense. If you willing to spend draft picks or cap you can improve the defense with more certainty. Whereas there seems to more more luck involved with finding a QB. I would love to see a WR, guard, WR, center type of draft.

Yes, let’s just spend more draft picks. There is only so much talent you can add through free agency and through second contracts. You need quality players on rookie contracts. That is where your surplus value comes from.

can someone link what Voth said?

One of the biggest problems with this forum and certain members is that everyone wants to take everything so literal. Some "connected" journalist states that Rhule had final say and then next thing you know everything was his fault and nothing was Fitt's fault. That isn't how these things work. I doubt Rhule is doing all of the day to day scouting himself and putting the board together by himself. What is more likely is that Fitt and his department does the scouting and puts together the board and then on draft day Rhule does have final say. It's totally possible that Rhule did throw out Purdy's name at some point in the process and its totally possible they decided not to have him on the draft board. It's pretty clear he didn't like him enough to push that hard for him, because if he would have had the much conviction, I'm sure he could have made it happen. I'm not absolving Rhule in all of these draft day decisions, there is enough blame to go around for everyone. My only point is the truth is usually somewhere towards the middle. As fans we always want to know who to blame, but it's not always that black and white. Even if the HC makes the decision he is picking from a list that the GM put together. It's not like the GM is offering up choices that he thinks is bad.

what exactly did Voth say?

not even close to being true. It's unbelievable how much people around here make up stats to back up what they want to believe. NFL Football Stats - NFL Team Average Time of Possession (Excluding OT) | TeamRankings.com We were actually one of the better teams at ToP.

I don't understand why people can't understand this, but when you trade a player who you are abuot to have to pay big money to, you don't have to replace him with the draft pick. You replace them with the cap savings, the draft pick is just a bonus. Can you replace Burns production with $30m and draft picks? Also, it just isn't about replacing Burns production, it's about making the team better. Maybe you use $15m and replace 90% of Burn's production, then you use the other $15m to greatly improve a different position, then with the draft picks you might get lucky and slightly improve two other positions.

Source?

I did. Look, I appreciate alot of stuff you add to the forum, but be careful about passing on misinformation as fact. It does a disservice to the team.

That’s a long post just to dodge the question

still dodging I see. speaking of the QB decision, every report pretty much said he liked Bryce, but none said he vetoed everyone.else. Although there are numerous reports that everyone else also liked Bryce but you aren’t so quick to post those. You only post the one that was the author claiming he could guess who frank would like, and then play it off as that was who frank said he liked. Here again let’s keep pushing a narrative. Now here again, what other personnel decisions???

Still waiting for those “major personal decisions”….

What personnel choices? So if Tepper would have hired Reich and then totally stayed out of the football side of things do you really think our results would have been different? Probably not

He didn’t pick the QB on his own, another myth overplayed around here.

Here again, so if Tepper wasn’t talking to assistant coaches Reich would have won more games? Fitts players would have played better?

Yea, and good workers do their job regardless. here again, if Tepper wasn’t talking to assistant coaches would the teams record be better? The answer is no. If I own a team and they start 0-6 I’m asking everyone in the building what is wrong. Tepper hired the wrong coach and wrong GM, that is why we lost so much.

So if Tepper wasn’t talking to assistant coaches our offense would have scored more points and we would have won more games??? Think about it

If the coaching and team building were better there wouldn’t be anything to report back. People are getting all of this backwards. Some coach telling the owner that the team sucks isn’t what is causing the team to suck.

Do you ever notice how quick some posters are to post articles that fit their agenda? But when something doesn’t fit their narrative they are nowhere to be found?

Question for all the people upset over there, what scenario are you worried about?

If you actually read the article Holder doesn't even say that Frank wanted Stroud, it says the author can guess who Frank wanted and it would have been Stroud if the author had to guess. Unfortunately reading comprehension is lacking around here, not to mention there are certain posters who like to continually reference the article to push an agenda.

I tend to agree with you, it doesn't look good for him turning it around but what are our options? Spend another draft pick on a QB? Sure, if we had our first. Waste a 2nd on a long shot? Sign a vet? Honestly, I would hate to drop either into our offense. Our previous front office has done a pretty good job of stripping our offense of talent. Bryce is already paid for, spend the draft picks and some of the cap space into improving the talent on offense and then add the QB the following year. You spend $6m to sign a vet QB that helps you win an extra 3 games? That $6m can help you sign a guard that will help Bryce and whoever is playing QB in 2025.

Do you really think Tepper made those 22 decisions????

Our self awareness is terrible. Our roster is terrible, we need to quit worry about winning an extra 3-4 games but instead worry about building a roster. I wouldn’t even worry about veteran competition. Sign a cheap guy to back him up and play out the year. We spent a fortune for Bryce, put him out there, he either improves or he gets us get a better pick in 25. Maybe he improves a little, and turns into a backup and you get some value out of him. Also I would be using most of my resources to improve the offense. Whether it’s Young or a rookie in 2025 we need better players on that side of the ball to correctly evaluate and develop whatever an it is.

And if Tepper was not involved as much as people say how many of those would have still happened? The answer is pretty much all of them. This is why alot of the narratives around here are overblown. I’m not worried about his involvement as much as his ability to pick the correct people and to be honest there is such luck involved in that. If there was a surefire formula every team would have a good coach and gm.