bythenbrs

18 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

 

He’s a nice young man.  I hope he and the team can generate some success this season.  

11 hours ago, Mother Grabber said:

ummm…wut? the BY haters are far larger in number and far more vocal and obnoxious than the BY champions 

Put me in the disappointed first year camp but open to new information in 2024

35 minutes ago, CRA said:

that doesn’t feel like BPA drafting…

Leggette should be a 3rd pick and the other guy has an injury history just too big to ignore 

 

Isn’t that the dilemma, though?  Are we drafting to give Bryce ‘weapons’ and help him succeed, or to build the best damn team roster to set us up for years to come.  BPA if it’s the later but, I fear we are drafting, in part, to make Bryce successful and prove he isn’t a bust.

I am really conflicted between McConkey and Legette in this draft.  In a ‘small ball’ offense where Bryce is the ‘point guard’ and has to have the ball out of his hands in 2.7, I want McConkey, full stop.  NFL ready route running and separation, check.

Any other ‘normal’ passing scheme that employs a full route tree, and not the odd occasional deep route just to keep safeties honest, I want Legette.  Can Legette be fully utilized in a ‘small ball’ offense?  

Remember, we’re drafting to give Bryce ‘weapons’, not the best WR available when we pick.

12 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Technically he treated the Pats that way.

What did he do to the Pats?  Not disagreeing with you, just haven’t read anything previous to your post.  Thanks.

9 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Feels like this will end in a disaster. Rodgers is not Brady. 

 

The man couldn't even win in the NFC. To think a 40 year old Rodgers coming off achilles injury is gonna beat Mahomes/Lamar/Burrow/Allen in the playoffs is crazy. I can't blame them for trying though.

You go to war with the army you have, not the army you wish you had…

7 minutes ago, NcPsa10 said:

 

I liked Gilmore's first run as a Panther so, why not?  Collect the whole set.

2 hours ago, MHS831 said:

 

He is wearing #7.  Is that over or under his 2024 sack total?

I'm sure there are some incentives built into his contract.  Money is a strong motivator.

2 hours ago, Hoenheim said:

Post Clowney pickup. Powers Johnson keeps dropping to R2 in this simulator for some reason but I really don't expect him to make it past the Cowboys and Eagles. 

 

I can really get behind this draft.  If Pearsall or Ellis are there are 101, it would be hard to pass them up.

1 hour ago, rayzor said:

I don't think we've got a dominant OL yet, but the interior is getting there. My only complaint with that draft up there is I didn't address center.

Not sure if JPJ falls to 33, probably not, but, if he does, you just about have to turn in the card with his name on it.  It's more a visceral feeling but I keep coming back to the thought that we have to take one of the available centers that are starter capable by 65.  Would love for them to sit a year behind Corbett but I don't think we can count on Corbett's health and I'm not ready to rely on Cade Mays as the backup at C.  If Morgan has Tepper's blessing to treat this as a true multi-year rebuilding process, then maybe Morgan is content to have Mays as the backup in 2024.

Frazier, SVP or Bortolini at 65, whichever is still there works.  In full disclosure, I haven't looked at these three for fit in the new wide zone scheme so, someone can correct me here if they have.  Thanks!

58 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

My list went through 10.  I think Sanders could bounce back; they owe him a lot of money.

 

I start threads like this because my thinking gets biased very easily and quickly.  And when we talk about one player, we fail to see the big picture a lot of times-so this kinda makes us frame it that way.  Yes, I would love to draft a C, but the way it is set up right now, I cannot.  I also hope we draft 2 WRs, because Mingo could be the only player back from the current roster in 2025

This is certainly the year to draft two WR’s.  This year they are both need and BPA, depending on round and where we are drafting.

58 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

While you all are on the subject of cocks, I withdrew from the conversation.  However, what about a snake cock in round 4 or 5 to be the 3rd QB?

(That one is rather ambiguous, but it will come to you with some deep contemplation.  Then you will smile, but realize that you are smiling at a snake cock, so you will unsmile and answer the question, realizing that good ol' MHS was referring to the Gamecock's QB.)

So many words for something so small, and, yes, some species have two.

19 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Appreciate it.

Had to have a stent put in because they found a 95% blockage in my left descending artery. I'm told that particular blockage kills a lot of people, so I'm lucky.

Currently dealing with low blood oxygen. They haven't been able to figure out the cause yet so I'm on oxygen a lot and my energy isn't so great.

To top it all off, my vision isn't so good right now. Likely will have to have cataract surgery sometime soon.

So not online much still pulling for the team.

Best wishes and keep pounding everybody

Praying for your recovery, Mr. Scott.  We miss you.

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

call me crazy but I would rather not spend another 2nd rounder (marshall mingo) on a guy that needs to "refine" his route running

McConkey checks that box, along with elite separation and great hands.  YMMV.

The Bot is back?!

38 minutes ago, Soul Rebel said:

I've read about how important it is to have a knowledgable C running the show with all of the communication, protections, pre-snap decision making, etc. 

That being said, Frazier looks NFL ready day 1 and I really hope he is a Panther at 33 or 39. There's still good talent at the position that we can get at 65, but Frazier is a bonafide stud. His wrestling background and nastiness in the trenches intrigues me a lot.

You had me at ‘nastiness’…

2 minutes ago, Jay Roosevelt said:

It'd be crazy if we ended up signing Gilmore AND trading for Hassan Reddick.

Lightning in a bottle if Morgan can pull that off and not break the bank doing so.  Would love to see that.

19 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

That's my biggest worry on the offense line. Will he stay healthy and be able to hold down the job? If not who replaces him, another scrub? I want a long term solution found before Colbert breaks down as he most likely will. 

This is a good year to draft a center.  A starter capable rookie to back up Colbert should be available at our first three picks.

MHS was on to something when he suggested that we need 3-4 of our O line starters on rookie contracts at any point in time.  

2 hours ago, rayzor said:

now as to why ladd is highly regarded...i think it's just because he's quick and a safe option to throw to. he's seen as a reliable option for any QB. nothing particularly dynamic about him other than that. actually he just seems like a good boring but reliable WR. won't get much as far as TDs and probably won't produce much in the way of highlight reels, but between the 40s he'll be solid. 

i kind of think that he might be hyped a little too much, but i wouldn't hate it. he can get open, get some separation, and catch passes. we kind of need that. 

i wouldn't be content with him being the only WR we take in the first 4 picks, though. get someone like Leggette or some other big X receiver who can also high point balls and give us a red zone threat. mingo has the potential to be that...but i'm not going to bank on that or use him as an excuse to not get another X receiver. 

we just need guys with reliable hands who can either get open or fight for the ball and win. gimme two or three this draft and i wouldn't hate a big TE getting added, either.

Why draft McConkey?  As you alluded to above, runs crisp routes, consistently gets separation, great hands, 2.7.  He will start in the slot next year when Thielen moves on.

12 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

Doomed to fail I fear. 

Probably, but there is a nice Venn diagram overlap between roster building for Bryce and for a future successor QB.  The ‘friction’ is the degree to which skill players are drafted or signed specifically for a Bryce ‘small ball’ game plan.  Just a SWAG but, perhaps 2-3 skill players (2 WR, 1 RB) would not translate well to a more traditional game plan on offense.  Player fit is more of a continuum, rather than a binary yes or no.

I’m liking it.  A proper long term rebuild.  No panicky, impatient roster moves to ‘win now’.  In the NFL, to build a perennially competitive team, there is no instant pudding.

35 minutes ago, musicman said:

It really doesn't matter who we get with the 2 picks in the 2nd and so on. We need a WR (Bryce needs another weapon), TE (might be the best weapon option of all - think what Greg Olsen did for Cam), DE (depends on if he can be a solid rotational and contribute or a FA), CB (has to compete for the starting job). All have to be of starting or close to it caliber. A Center and LB are up there too. But right before the draft some FA's will take deals because they know when teams draft their positions, the deals or opportunities will be even less or gone. Then after the draft, teams (like us) that didn't get "our guy" for a certain position will sign someone. 

The Panthers will go into the season with all the needs filled, just may not be the best options, but nobody expected a line up to compete for the SB. I hope we take a deal at 33 to move back just a few spots and grab a couple of extra picks (like a 2nd with a 3rd and 4th/5th). I would love a 2025 1st rd instead that could be packaged with our 2025 1st rd pick to move up next year if needed. Or having 2 1st rd picks to get the missing pieces to hopefully have a team to compete for the playoffs.

I'll say it again. Let's just be competitive. Win no less than 5 games but let's really get at least 7 (would love most of those at home). Last year fans felt when we were down by 10, the game was over. Hopefully this year, we can have the feeling we can pull it out (even if we don't, which we won't all the time). Even last year when the game stunk, if we were close and had those 2 comebacks the fans came alive. We just need more of that. 

The signings were not bad if actually fairly good. If Corbett is the weakest link on the O-line, then that's good because he's good. Brady as a swing is good too. I see Miles and Chuba having holes to run through, play action to get receivers open, etc. It's not going to KC but it's going to have some imagination. It has too. There's no where to go but up! I know they'll be a lot of negative posts but even every fan (negative or not) hopes for a turn around. Maybe this is the start. In Morgan and Canales we trust!

1 minute ago, Panthero said:

If we'll pay for Jewell, why not a DE? I don't understand that logic. 

I have no problem with Jewell or similar Edge on a cap friendly contract.  Just don’t sign a ‘name’ like Clowney with a high salary expectations.  We need to be shopping at the bargain bin until we can build a real, legitimate roster of draft picks and young players on first contracts.  ‘Value’ signings are fine.  

19 minutes ago, Panthero said:

Plug and Play from a playbook perspective, yes. Not from a physicality standpoint, otherwise I'd say fug it, just draft some guys. 

Do both.  Draft and waiver wire cuts.  Let’s not overpay for one year rentals.  That’s what got us in this dumpster fire.

13 minutes ago, bythenbrs said:

Final roster cuts may present acceptable options but, I hate going through preseason unsure of who might be starting opposite Wonnum.

Don’t forget that we pick first on roster cuts.

Meant to say, ‘waiver wire order’, not ‘roster cuts’.  Mea culpa.