kungfoodude

What discussion? You have no concept of "building." It isn't possible to even have one. Sad because there are ample examples in professional and college football of the path to going from a cellar dweller to a winning program and very, very few of them involve intentional losing nor just walking over to the win switch and flipping it from OFF to ON. It takes time, effort and a shitload of hard work by the players and coaches you just want to lay down and keep losing.

You think Bo Nix is a franchise QB??? LMAO Also, you are literally preaching doing what we have been doing. Scrambling around and going from QB to QB. That's literally what we have done under Tepper and it hasn't done poo. This is just because you are simping for Sanders/Ward and that's all this is about. You couldn't possibly be more transparent.

Yes, I am sure your years of Madden really helped you learn how to tank for draft picks.

The bolded part makes me very glad you are nowhere near our FO. You are worse than Tepper.

I can tell that you have never played sports above a recreational level because you are pushing to tank for a draft pick. That's completely counter to all hope of building a winning culture. It's how you end up being a bad franchise for 10+ years. Players want to win. Coaches want to win. These are professionals that have pride in what they do. None of those people in that locker room give a fug about a draft pick on any game day.

If a QB happens in the draft, fine. If not, also fine. Pushing that is how you end up with Bryce Young, not how you end up with Patrick Mahomes. Don't be desperate and stupid. Play the board. BPA. This isn't a contending team for a bit.

As someone who was not amped up about the massive money spent at OG, I was wrong. It has transformed the entire line performance. Even our previous turnstiles like Mays and Zavala have played better. Ikey and Moton have played better. It's been great.

I think the problem is that you might be too dumb to understand thaf you don't go from 0-5 wins to 10+ wins. It's a progression. You want a look at how that happens? Look at the Detroit Lions. Dan Campbell's first year in 2021 was 3-13-1. In your eyes(clearly), "OH THEY WILL NEVER HAVE WINNING CULTURE. TERRIBLE TEAM. THE WORST. I DON'T SAY IT, OTHER PEOPLE DO. THE NATIONAL MEDIA SAYS IT." However, you look at the last six games of that season, they went 3-3. Then cut to 2022(after another good draft), now they are 9-8. The "winning culture" is accelerating, guys are buying in. Now 2023-2024 they have gone 20-6 so far. You don't go from zero to a hundred, especially when you have been bad for a while(last Lions winning season before Campbell: 2017). You build winning culture by.....shocker.....winning. So to just throw away wins and say it doesn't matter is utterly foolish. Wins don't happen by accident.

Current PFF ratings for all OL that have taken snaps for us in 2024. Robert Hunt - 73.8 Damien Lewis - 72.9 Ikem Ekwonu - 72.8 Taylor Moton - 71.3 Brady Christensen- 65.3 Cade Mays - 64.3 Austin Corbett - 62.9 Chandler Zavala - 61.5 Jarrett Kingston - 60.0 Yosh Nijman - 57.9 The performance of these guys has been really exceptional overall. After many, many years of terrible OL play, give the new coaching staff and Dan Morgan credit for making some needed changes to get us possibly the best OL unit(including reserves) we have had in many, many years.

You do realize that you have to win games to become a "winner" right? That's literally how that happens. So wishing for us to continue to lose just makes more losing culture.

Winning is how you build a winning culture. It is quite literally the only way to build a winning culture. There is no way to spin winning games as a net negative this season. It's not a draft where you are likely to net an elite QB and the pool is limited with elite talent. If you end up with a top 10 pick(most likely we will) then just get an above average starter that is worth signing to a second contract. BPA and improve the roster. You can do all that while winning games as a cellar dweller.

Would you say that he's been the.....Jewell of that 4th round?

Well, I mean, I hate to point to a timeline but you might want to look at when Josh Rosen and JaMarcus Russell were drafted.

Yeah, minus the relative consensus about this guy being a first round talent for quite some time now. But, by all means, keep digging that hole deeper.

I just don't think he loves football.

I mean if we are going 1st round busts, don't forget about Anthony Richardson. Might be the biggest first round QB bust since Rosen.

You might want to go re-read your original post.

Fantastic route runner too.

Holy Cross. The instances of small school(non-P5) top 15 picks are actually not rare. First round instances are less rare. You not knowing about prospects really isn't the fault of anyone but yourself. It's odd to poo on prognosticators for being actually informed when you very clearly have zero clue about college football.

poo, exactly who is sold on Bryce that isn't named David Tepper??

He is not a natural ball catcher in the slightest. Not sure he will ever be, TBH.

Yeah, people kept singing BC's praises but that was by far the worst game he played all year. He was getting beat like a snare drum.

Where did Coker come from?

The best CB in the last draft was from Toledo(saw him play live in the MAC championship game). It really doesn't make any sense to assume the caliber of player based on school.

There is no real risk of the Panthers turning this around. What we should hope to see is the team be competitive in most of the remaining games and the further development of our younger players(Coker, Sanders, Chuba, XL, Wallace, Ikey, Horn, etc). These are guys that we need to become a core that can be built around. And maybe some veterans like Wonnum show they can be a part of the future here.