kungfoodude

I think more of it had to do with the team being built around a guy that ended up being broken beyond repair(Cam). CMC had very little to do with Panthers success. Just look at his W-L record in games played versus games not played. The success of the franchise was always going to revolve around Cam(or any of the successive QB's) and once he was done, so were we.

Yeah but that's for regular people. Rich(especially rich and young) people don't care as much about that kind of stuff. SF has far greater access to badass stuff than CLT. And NC doesn't have access to nearly the kind of attractions for young people that CA does. Doesn't mean I would personally choose SF over CLT but I understand. Plus he is already a WC guy.

He is 100% correct about it being a luxury. It didn't help SF win when they were down all their QB's because the league doesn't work like that. Same thing with Henry, Barkley, etc, etc, etc. Without the rest of the pieces around the elite RB, it doesn’t accomplish anything. Elite RB's are purely a luxury, not a necessity.

Yeah, if Young becomes a top 10 QB in the league then eventually CMC will be a footnote in Panthers history. It's not really related to him but we only had one winning season in his entire Panthers career. Most of us are going to be very eager to move on from those memories.

But we had a braintrust that was also stuck in the past. It obviously made sense to them. Oh well, that era is over. Nothing we can do about it now but move on. I will say that as much as I respect CMC as an amazing player, I don't wish him a bunch of success as a 49er. He kind of said "fug us" and so I feel similarly back. He isn't quite at DeAngelo levels but I will be curious to see if he keeps throwing some shade at us and if the fans turn on him as quickly as they did Williams.

Yeah, hence why a select few of us were so down on the contract extension. You just don't pay RB's that kind of money, not even ones with his ability. This isn't the 90's NFL.

Euro and AFL.

Last time I checked they didn't have a QB either, so.....GL with that CMC.

I don't want to see Canes in 4. Not down for that at all. That amount of blood rushing to my groin might kill me.

What years did he play in the XFL, again? Last time I checked he was already a Super Bowl champion before the original XFL actually existed.

Yep. Glad to have him aboard but it's very similar to the pining after late round picks and UDFA's that happens every offseason. The odds are already stacked against you out of the gate.

I am sure we will get at least a few. You know that there are always a few true believers.

Honestly, in a 17 game schedule, not a ton. That could be the difference between a couple of key injuries or just bad luck. I would be fine with anything in that range depending on the circumstances and how we look/play.

I think that's pretty spot on. I would say 7-10 wins are about the band I would expect to see us be. Anything less or more would be a surprised. It is a lot of turnover on the roster and obviously with the staff. I would say we probably shouldn't be expecting Superb Owl's in Year One.

TBH, I don't see much from Hubbard that makes me think he is anything more than a 3rd string or PS level player. Brady C looks like he could end up being a very good backup utility OL, so that is nice. Horn is clearly an elite talent but availability is an ability. I really hope he can stay healthy for long periods of time. Even before those Rhule drafts, Hurney was stinking it up in his return. It's just so incredibly tough to build a good franchise when you whiff that much in multiple drafts. Literally everything you do personnel wise becomes harder and more expensive.

I mean, would you rather he suck hard and have to put up with a season or two of him being shitty? IDC where he played once he retires and starts calling games unless he is a homer queef that simps for his old team on broadcasts. But, that would also fall under him just generally sucking.

That's gonna be interesting to see. He seems a little wooden. Hopefully he ends up being a surprise like Romo was. The last thing anyone needs is another grating ex-NFL color commentator.

Yeah, I am skeptical just because that general time period seems so ripe with poor personnel decisions. Maybe not as skeptical as "scarred." The truth is we really need some of these young guys to pan out. It really, really, REALLY hurts our future if a lot of them don't.

I don't have much in the way of expectations for either. But, the path to PT should be easier for both of them. If they don't make a leap forward or just a general impact, I think we probably end up moving on next offseason.

Because he did a good job mentoring Fields and he isn't here to be a starter, dumbass.

I definitely hope so. Some of these recent past 5 year drafts are starting to look REALLY bad. That’s very tough on a franchise.

Yep, it's really now or never. New staff, new QB and a fairly wide open competition.

Dude, that circlejerk coverage was fuging nauseating.

Once Svech went down, I thought we were sunk. Then Teravainen went down and I thought we were sunk. This team keeps rallying and fighting through the adversity. If we win it all, this may be the best team we have ever had, based on that quality alone.

TMJ is just about whether his practice abilities will ever translate to the field. Even though he was in a terrible offense last season, he very rarely ever distinguished himself on the field. We just need to see him do well when the bullets are live. That is what has been lacking.