kungfoodude

Always draft prospects. Always.

"Next Class" Syndrome. The NBA draft was famous for this. Small sample size gets everyone excited then you see the rest of the career and the stock starts falling if there isn't big improvements. The fact that Richardson was/is getting hype on almost nothing is a classic example.

Some of the expected guys didn't step up. In fact some cratered(Van Dyke) and some didn't make the expected jump(Richardson, Jefferson, etc). Some of the second tier prospects didn't improve either.

I am not 100% sure it will be "a lot less." We still could very well get a haul for him. If anything, we should have a lot more suitors because of the extended timeline.

Not sure I agree because I don't think the lack of development and general organizational chaos would have been anything but a net negative for him. He is probably best suited to sitting out and figuring out how to be a professional football player. It's something he will learn a little more with an actual NFL coach in Wilks.

That's the thing, we don't know what the next coach is going to want to run as far as scheme. But, it doesn't mean that we cannot move Burns in the future, as well. It's very possibly that we might still be able to get a haul for him if he doesn't fit in our future plans.

I am pretty sure most of us already knew that. The Saints would want a king's ransom and he is literally describing our organization.

But we did Sports Science, 'member?

Yeah, it was intentional. That's what we are going to find out this coming offseason.

TBD. Good candidates don't typically gravitate towards dumpster fire organizations.

Declining the interview is basically the same thing. Leftwich did interview with Jacksonville and pulled out of the running when the second round of interviews came. McDaniels accepted and then famously backed out.

Yeah, that's what I mean. Check the original post and you will see I said HC and OC.

Tony Elliott turned us down in 2019, although that was likely due to the Rooney Rule. Pep Hamilton turned us down this past offseason because he expected to have better opportunities available. I believe Leftwich turned down a HC opportunity this past offseason(Jags maybe? as well. It's not uncommon. Remember McDaniels turning down multiple opportunities?

The cap is easy to manipulate in the modern era. I think we have sharp enough people here to easily be able to do that. That can is able to be kicked almost indefinitely as many teams have shown over the past 4-6 years.

I will take versus the Broncos. They really are ass.

If you have paid attention to our previous coaching searches, you will notice that we were flatly turned down for interviews by some HC and OC candidates. Not every prospective coach wants any job out there. That happens every hiring cycle.

Not to mention that a player who so willingly accepts losing is probably not one you should keep around. You want players and coaches that strive to win every single down, even if they obviously know the hand they have been dealt is a losing hand.

You misunderstand. "Concrete path" is meant to convey the path getting TO a QB, less so getting to the right QB. IE, whether we decide to answer that question in free agency(again) or through the draft. So if we try and court a HC without a shot at a highly rated QB in the draft or a shot at a franchise QB through free agency/trade, it's gonna be a tough sell. If we had an answer at QB already, it becomes a much easier question but it isn't terribly often that jobs come open with franchise QB's present on those teams. For us, we have Matt Corral under contract and a bunch of journeyman or bust FA QB's assembled. That isn't going to attract many candidates by itself.

It might or we might have a winning record in year one. The point being that the right coach and/or the right QB will get us back to winning. Sustained success will take consistent work to improve but simply getting to 9-8 is not hard at all.

Eh....if there is a guy(QB) that the FO loves in 2023, you take that guy. If not, I can see the value in punting to 2024. But you have to have a concrete path to answering the QB question. Part of that will factor heavily into our HC search. Not many prospective HC's are gonna want to come to a place that can't get the most important position in the league correct. I can understand not trusting the FO. I can understand not trusting the owner. But if those aren't major concerns, it isn't anywhere close to impossible to turn this team around. We keep looking at this chaos that our previous staff(and some current staff) has wrought and believing it's not possible to undo. Well the NFL is littered with examples of that not being the case.

Yeah, sometimes you die on those ride or die dudes. It just is what it is.

Yeah but that isn't a fair comparison. You can't expect a 1st round QB to perform the same as a 7th round QB, almost regardless of the season. There are certainly outliers that exist but the long term statistics bear out that the success rate is higher for 1st round QB's. Considerably so as the rounds go lower. So Pickett, Willis, Ridder, Howell, Corral, etc.....that class is less likely to net a franchise QB or even good journeyman because it wasn't a good QB class and the opportunities will naturally be less. You might get a Geno Smith story or a Russell Wilson story but those are exceptional because....well....they are the exception.

Well considering only one went in the first round and most are riding the pine as 3rd round or lower guys, I don't think last year's class is a good example of that. If you go to the class before, that's probably a better argument. But Lawrence had a dreadful HC in his rookie year(the only one worse than Rhule), Lance didn't play anything but in spots(which would be the example you mention) and Fields struggled mightily on a team with a lot less talent and also a poor coach(now fired). Jones was successful with a far better coach but lesser talent. He is also possibly the lowest ceiling guy from that class. So, half of those cases included bad coaching. Not surprisingly, those two QB's are performing better in year two. Lance unfortunately was injured early so its hard to say how that will turn out. Jones is struggling with a bad coaching(in this case coordinator) situation now but was also the least talented of these guys.