kungfoodude

Absolutely not.

Eh....this probably isn't the draft for that. This draft seems heavy on 3rd string QB's.

Hence why I said he is better suited to being a backup/4th guy. Let him attempt to develop in that role. He is a driver killer extraordinaire in a 1-3 role.

I think people are really underestimating how bad XL has been.

This is rough. Tokarski is doing what he can. Sloppy AF.

Wallace should have never even seen the field outside spot play. Injuries did that. He's a long term developmental guy, not someone we should have had to press into that kind of early action. You hope he shows flashes by the end of his rookie deal and works his way into the lineup.

I would assume Shaq and Corbett are likely gone. Brooks we may never appreciably see again. Brown, Wallace and XL should be healthy

Yeah, I mean we are as likely to fug up a #1 pick as a #20 pick. Win games. The draft will be what it is. Ain't nothing changing that until we replace just about everyone in that building.

I would still rather win a couple of games in this last 3. If we can't beat either Tampa or Arizona, I will go full tank mode for Atlanta. Which means we will win that game, obviously.

And he will likely be banged up over his career in the NFL but will always be able to produce when healthy because he is such a fundamentally sound player. This is the polar opposite of XL. His fundamentals are almost nonexistent. Those are things we have to attempt to develop. Sadly, these are the traits of a Day Three pick, not a first rounder. Once again, I very much doubt history will be kind to taking a halfcourt shot on a high potential, extremely low floor player over a polished, NFL ready WR. I hope XL makes me eat those words but this just seemed like such a no-brainer move at the time. Same with the Frazier move over Brooks. The only pick I liked in this entire draft was Sanders. TBH, he was the only one that came close to proving his value, for that matter.

We were a team you had to respect, winning or losing. Also, our lows during a lot of those times were often 7-9 seasons versus these 2-5 win seasons that so routinely happen now. Tepper so thoroughly dismantled every aspect of Panthers culture, it is no wonder that we remain a laughingstock.

Graham would be a very capable 3-4 DE, as well.

It's the same level of simple as Coker vs. XL. Excellent fundamentals which lead to more consistent separation and the ability to haul the ball in when it comes their way. XL has none of that. This shouldn't be a surprise, these were knocks on XL coming in.

I think Bryce would really have to crap his pants over the last 3 weeks for that to happen. And/or Dave Canales pull some Matt Rhule wizard magic on Tepper.

Oddly one of the very few things Hurney understood versus too many of our GM's. Not to mention this is a weak DE/EDGE draft. I generally feel the odds of drafting a bust at that position in the top 5 are going to be far higher than normal. Which, obviously we would nail the bust.

Yeah, I don't know about that. He would have had to have taken a pretty team friendly deal, IMO. Good example: 7 games, 7 games started, 30 Rec, 58 targets, 357 yds, 3 TD 8 games, 2 games started, 21 Rec, 32 targets, 373 yds, 2 TD One of this guys was making over $9 mil and one of them is making $663k.

He is a classic me-first guy. I suspect the rest of his career mirrors the post-Panthers Robby Anderson.

I don't think the idea of "competition" is that valuable. Improving the room is a good idea but it's going to be tough to accomplish without massive investment. What you really are probably looking at is more so just having a valid starter when/if Bryce fails in 2025. Like Dalton, basically. If you bank on some other backup level QB(Minshew, Howell, etc) then you are just likely to be watching a slightly better or slightly worse version of what you are replacing. If you bank on a rookie QB(assuming not a first rounder) then you waste potentially valuable draft resources if you take him on Day 2 and likely are looking at low percentage success rate(this is the hail mary option). This is why I am in favor of a legit veteran backup. Dalton, Darnold, someone along those lines.

IDK about smart, you are just taking any option available. I think it was more of a throwaway move than anything. It would have looked very smart had it worked out, I will say.

Well he would be dirt cheap. It's not an awful idea, although I would rather just keep Dalton, TBH. I do like the idea of a veteran backup.

He is going out like Matt Ryan. Suddenly a massive decline. Not Peyton Manning bad but headed that direction.

Nijman was a massive whiff. Surprised he was as bad as he was. Jackson too. I will say for all the high praise of Morgan at times, it has been a very mixed bag in the offseason. Really not many HR's outside the guards.

I will never understand why people continue to include Baker Mayfield in these kind of discussions. He was literally a Pro Bowler that led Cleveland to an 11-5 season and the playoffs. He threw for over 14000 yards and 92 TD's in his four years in Cleveland alone. Geno Smith has 18500 yds and 98 TDs for his entire 11 year NFL career. Sam Darnold has 15600 yds and 92 TDs in his entire 7 year career. Geno Smith and MAYBE Sam Darnold are examples of bust QB's that turned their careers around. Baker Mayfield was a guy that Cleveland inaccurately gave up on and then landed on the worst team in the NFL to fuel the fire that he was now a "bust." He literally had more success with a couple of days notice in LA than he did in Carolina. That wasn't him, it was us. What he is doing in Tampa is much more indicative of just a QB getting better over his career(see Allen, Josh) than him recovering from being a bust. I am not even a big Baker Mayfield fan but this narrative has always driven me insane because it is so unbelievably and WILDLY inaccurate.

It was a solid attempt at trying something. Honestly, I have no qualms with a gamble on a good WR. He would still be the best WR on this team if he wasn't such a petulant child.

If we end up with a top 5 pick, we really should not be trading down. There is very little elite talent in this draft(on paper) and trading out of a spot to snag some isn't wise. Plus, I am not sure I can even recall the last draft trade the Panthers won. It's pretty much the hallmark of a future bust.