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Force an INT here

Ooof. Bad Bryce.

A couple of bad plays by the IOL aside, our OL is outplaying their OL by a pretty decent margin.

I am actually oddly happy that we don't have the ability to take the ball away from Chuba. Feed this fuging beast and this OL, Dave.

You mean on top of just don't draft RB's in the first two rounds?

How about we run the ball more? It has been working.

Sanders is done for the year. It will be Hubbard and Blackshear.

Yes really, bro. Maybe watch a game or two.

Bro, there are about 27 minuteseft in the game. There are also 56 games left in the season after this one. Rod will figure it out. Chill.

Yes.

Brother, you might want to consider decaf. It's gonna be okay.

Still playing a little flat. Haven't quite pulled out of our funk yet.

People are jerking off over Saquon but he has been banged up too. He has missed 22.5% of the total games he could have played(to date). CMC will be at 28% by the end of the season(assuming SF doesn't make the playoffs). That isn't too far off. Derrick Henry has missed a total of 8.3% of his total games in his career.

All things I used against signing him to that completely insane extension and reasons why we actually did "win" that trade. The fact we squandered all the resources notwithstanding. Amazing player at a position of limited value in the NFL and with some of the shortest careers. Not to mention that his recent injuries are both overuse and overtraining related. He has been very hard on his body on top of that mileage. Something has to give and it largely ended up being his longevity.

Darnold is considerably worse than Brock Purdy and basically in a similar scenario. He's a regular dude driving a Ferrari, not Lewis Hamilton driving the fug out of a Toyota Camry. Good example is that Darnold is at 1.17 TO/GM this year in MN. His Panthers career TO/GM average was 1.22. He is the same guy(backup tier) as he has always been, just on a team that is elite with elite coaching.

Cam and I don't agree on what "game manager" means.

I don't agree. We have somehow managed to be competitive which is not nothing. I agree the matchup is not favorable.

+13.5 is wild. I think we cover that. Still suspect a double digit loss.

Brady was considerably more than a game manager.

Yeah but why would you say Darnold or Dalton are "winners?" Darnold is anything but a winner and Dalton was a pretty good QB in his heyday but probably still a Tier 3 guy even in his prime(Tier 1: Elite, Tier 2: Almost Elite(think Ryan/Cousins/Dak/etc)). I don't think Winston is a classic winner. He's a classic TO prone gunslinger. A lot of fun and a lot of frustration. Bryce....eh....TBD. Definitely hasn't displayed much in the way of being a winner. I'd say looks like he could eventually ascend to elite game manager, which is absolutely fine. Bryce has the rest of the year to show if he warrants further time as a Panthers starter or if it's time to pivot in another direction. Winston has shown he can certainly be a guy that can come off the bench in a backup role and win some games. That's really all you can expect for a player like that.

So we pass day one starters and likely contributors in McMillan and Graham for a project DE from a university known for producing bust DE/Edge players. Seems like a Panthers thing to do.

Dalton is 84-82-2 in his career. Darnold is 31-37 in his career. Jameis Winston is 36-49 in his career. None of these guys are really "winners" per se. Dalton being the closest(5 seasons with above .500 records with just 2 each for the other two). Also, every QB that becomes a champion has to win first. And not all champions are winners. Nick Foles had 2 winning seasons in 11 years. Trent Dilfer had 4 winning seasons in 13 years. These are outliers, obviously but even Mahomes, Brady, the Manning's, etc. had to start by winning eventually and then becoming champions. Heck, Stafford who you mention has had only 6 winning seasons in a 16 year career.

Well "luckily" we are one of the worst teams, so he would fit here.

Bryce has almost entirely a bad history, so he is just going to have to prove himself as a middle tier or higher NFL starter as his career advances. It is great the way he is trending but the truth is that we still don't know if this is his Jameis Winston streak or not. Winston, he is a known quantity. 30 years ago he would be a king, like Favre was. In the modern era, not so much. I would have zero issue with Winston as a backup or veteran guy for the right price. You just have to understand the limitations.

Or Reid. Not the same amount of stops but consistently successful, questioned because of lack of "ultimate success" and then proven to be a winner at the highest level in the end. Or John Harbaugh minus the ring.