kungfoodude

Well most of their struggles have been playing better teams(Jax is arguable) so far. Combined opponent records of 7-2. Stroud's struggles have largely been lack of WR options(injuries), the extremely poor OL play(tied for 8th in most sacks, and really sloppy/poor offensive play overall. Not to say he isn't part of the issue. As for their seasons so far: Stroud: 76.9 QB Rating, 34.8 QBR, 64.0 PFF, 64.5 QBERT Young: 75.3 QB Rating, 36.3 QBR, 64.0 PFF, 66.9 QBERT They have both been similarly bad this season.

He is firmly a #4 option there. He would still likely be our #1 or #2.

I think you are conflating different things entirely. AT is and was a threat here because he is an extremely crafty and effective veteran WR. We throw/threw to him in scenarios most wouldn't because the other options were unreliable or all too often not open. So, a lot of his production was him making chicken salad out of chicken poo whilst being force fed the ball in a lot of those scenarios. Minnesota doesn't struggle with that. Also, they have been getting dumpster fire level QB play 100% of the season. Unless you truly believe that Justin Jefferson is only also capable of producing the paltry numbers he has(behind TMac in everything but TD's).

Lol. Even as an original "Pro Bryce" guy, I take no solace in the fact that CJ is struggling to regain his rookie magic. He does at least look like a valid NFL QB. Unfortunately, Bryce does not.

They have been pining for a "face" of the franchise after ejecting Cam. Ironically, 100% of the attempts have flopped. Curse of Cam?

Valuable to the team on the field more than the FO. We got quite a haul, all things considered.

I mean, there is some truth to that. JJ has looked pretty rough, even by rookie QB standards.

It's aggressively fine. In my personal experience people from MN are also massive pussies about heat. Also some other generally unsavory qualities about the average Minnesotan, as well.

Yes, because if we had Justin Jefferson, TJ Hockensen, etc then AT would still be a 1k WR. Hence the, "he is way more valuable to us than them."

I don't think he lost any steps from last year even a little bit. The steps you are talking about he lost several years ago.

I think it's even simpler. We have the wrong people making decisions for us in the FO.

Lots of people keep getting this story about as wrong as can be, IMO. This smelled of "happy wife, happy life." Took a pay cut to take a lesser role in a place he and his wife would rather be. I would imagine he wanted to retire a Viking, so it just is what it is. It's also why I said he was much more valuable to us than them, which is still 100% true.

I am making at joke at his expense.

Seifert is a good comp. Billed as "The Guy" and then it turns out he's an over the hill product of a greater machine that was successful. Which, not to say BB doesn't deserve a chunk of his NFL accolades. The face saving measure is pulling the rip cord as soon as feasible. Make the media story how bad he was as a coach and not how bad the hiring decision overall was.

He isn't wrong. His offense was fast asleep on Sunday.....

Yeah, it's very clear his time here is over. Not good for us or him to keep him around.

He would probably be soaking up a lot of TMac's targets. Bryce had a definitive connection with him, for better or worse.

We will see. I disagree on XL. More likely he would actually look worse because others would elevate their play and its unlikely he is capable of doing that.

The people saying strength weren't showing their work. It was based on a lot of hoping and wishing, not actual previous NFL production.

Prepare yourselves for the chance Luke gets screwed and Brees is 1st ballot.

https://thelandondemand.com/news/2025/feb/07/inside-the-hall-of-fame-voting-process/

No. They have cracked down on the first ballot stuff recently because of complaints from the old guys.

I think that just depends on how "ready" he looks in the offseason, how Dowdle works out this year and if we have the opportunity to draft another guy above him in the offseason before he recovers. The fact we took Etienne at all shows some movement towards looking beyond him.

I honestly am not sure we really ever see him in a Panthers uniform on the field. I suspect he will be gone from the roster as soon as next offseason.

If you go to Canton and see the NFL HOF, you would think that the NFL has the revenue of women's professional soccer. Not joking.