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What was your general feeling?

1 minute ago, TheBigKat said:

In what way do you think?

 

 I’ve heard nothing this offseason to suggest it

There is no telling. I just know that someone who has a history of micromanagement as their style of mangement rarely ever changes, especially at his age.

Now, that can also happen with someone in a new position but he has been an owner long enough that it should have changed already.

It's just who he is.

Just now, Move the Panthers to Raleigh said:

Idk. It does matter for Bryce bc he could use all the coaching and training he can get

This assumes he is an NFL caliber QB. Show me the evidence for that.

This is like blaming Ian Thomas for not panning out or Sam Darnold for being a huge bust. WTF do you want them to do? They just aren't NFL caliber players.

Of course he meddled. He fuging can't help himself.

Honestly, who really cares what he did or didn't do? Horn works out like a madman all offseason but he gets injured all the time. Kyler Murray played CoD all offseason but he's a top 15 paid QB. 

IDGAF. I care about winning and playing well. He isn't doing that, so I don't care if he worked 12 hours a day on fundamentals all offseason or spent every day at Carowinds.

9 hours ago, Ricky Spanish said:

It's one of the top posts on r/nfl today:

 

This is amazing. 

3 hours ago, Cavscout said:

All companies have people that just show up for a paycheck. It's the ones with a fire and passion, that actually care about outcomes, that make a difference. Tepper got rid of all the players with a real passion for the game, he just wants choir boy employees that will show up to work, keep their mouth shut, and stick to the company platform. These players get paid to play, they don't get paid to care. Tepper doesn't want fire and passion, that's why he likes Bryce. That's why he got rid of Wilks. That's why he's a failure as an owner.

Bingo. Corporate mentality is a fuging cancer.

21 minutes ago, Fox007 said:

We're the Browns now. When you whiff the obvious pick that everyone but whatever the name of our owner is these days wanted to pick then your franchise is set back years. They can fug off, they haven't earned anyone's money or attention in years now and it'll be years still before this is resolved.

Been preaching this for multiple years now. We are the new Browns.

Literally every sign from that 1999-2017 run of misery is there. Worst part is that our 2018-2023 is actually worse than that era started our for them.

Buckle your seat belts, boys. It's gonna be a rough remainder of this decade.

11 hours ago, TD alt said:

I acknowledge that you could be right, but I still like his first four picks, but I think that it's worth saying that even if only two work out to become solid stars, then that's largely considered an acceptable draft.

I don't really like any of those picks other than Sanders. If we get two average or better starters in the group, it was a good draft. 

Otherwise.... woof.

fug off bot.

Ban the bot.

1 minute ago, TD alt said:

I'm not necessarily sure that Morgan is the problem here. He inherited a train wreck, including a situation where we basically had to give Bryce another opportunity. I'm certainly not going to give up on our 2023 draft picks or our acquisitions in free agency. The mess left by Fitterer and Rhule just wasn't going to be an easy fix, and having a QB that misses all over the field isn't going to lead to any semblance of legit competition, and actually makes players look less effective.

It's TBD but this offseason was less than stellar, IMO. The draft looked like a classic Fitterer draft.

I don't expect it will turn out much different than the past two offseasons. It would be a pleasant and welcome surprise if it did end up being successful.

35 minutes ago, Panthercougar68 said:

Go smoke a bowl and chill, Canales will be here next year.

There is a small chance he could get canned. I wouldn't say it's impossible he gets fired.

Well, we have our first official kiss of death of the season. That didn't take long.

1 hour ago, Gapanthersfan said:

It still bothers me to this day. Darnold made plays, he would sometimes sh** the bed and we weren’t going to the SB, but he passed the eye test of what an NFL qb looked like. He had leadership skills, and you could tell his teammates respected him. 

Look at those tapes of the Wilks locker rooms after a win. Team. Energy. Have we seen even one video since the Bryce era? 

Nobody respects Bryce, and it shows. 

If you still believe in Sam Darnold, there is nothing anyone can do to help you.

1 hour ago, strato said:

That is the thing. I never got an answer, asking what tool did he have that was above NFL average… only something else. I don’t want to say no one, but I don’t remember getting a tool specific rebuttal. A bunch of ‘it’s good enough’? More that. 

He was pitched as having field vision and playmaking ability that was far above average. The reality is that it's below average. 

So when you couple that with below average physical abilities then it quickly becomes obvious he is a below average QB.

I am still kind of amazed I had a lot of push back on my statement about our roster being the worst in the NFL.

30 minutes ago, chknwing said:

lol @ not playing starters in the preseason.

Lol. It wouldn't have mattered. This is based on the idea we are going to get better. 

Meh. We are not going to be made or broken by any individual RB injury this season.

9 hours ago, Shocker said:

6 amazing 1st rounders and yes I am including Bryce.  Too bad the best 3 were traded in what can be considered as the worst trades in NFL history.  Seriously all three were incredibly stupid 

I don't see much in the way of amazing. The only one that really significantly outplayed their position was Moore and it isn't what I would consider "amazing."

Of the trades one is clearly awful(Burns) because of what was on the table before.

CMC was an insanely good haul which Fitterer promptly squandered. 

The Moore trade will completely revolve around Young's career. If he becomes a franchise QB, no one will mention it as a bad trade. If Young flops, it will be a terrible trade.

23 minutes ago, strato said:

well, they were probably pros then too at LSU. 

Anyhow, the College All Stars won some. 

Yeah and that was almost 50 years ago. Not the same scenario.

49 minutes ago, CRA said:

I think that LSU team could of hung with NFL team that featured a really bad defensive front and had horrible QB play.  Not saying they would have won.   But Burrow, Chase, and JJ showed as rookies they were already top tier NFL ready essentially as college players. 

They could have hung for a quarter if they go fairly lucky.

5 minutes ago, UNCrules2187 said:

Void years are basically dummy years on a contract for the purposes of spreading out the guaranteed money/signing bonus on the cap. For example, Dalton signed a 2-year, $10m deal last offseason with a $4m signing bonus. The deal was structured as a 5-year contract with 3 voided years tacked on the end to spread out the $4m signing bonus over 5 years rather than over 2 years.

It's just kicking the can, basically. Accounting loophole. 

But the cap hits will keep coming. The Saints were exceptional at this for a long time.

8 minutes ago, Panthers Rhule said:

Who did we draft in his place? Wasn't it the new MLB who looked really good? 

I don't know who you are referring to but we selected Brooks at 46 and Frazier went at 51.

As I said, another in a long line of long term centers that we will likely regret passing on.

2 hours ago, pantherj said:

Moton, for his size, has been unbelievably healthy over the course of his career. He's not playing as well as he used to, but he's had a great career. 

Being over the cap is kind of astonishing. No CMC, no Burns, Young on a rookie deal, no flashy superstars. I think this is the all time low point of the franchise. Even with Pickles we were dreaming about drafting Andrew Luck, and then Cam. There was plenty to be excited about back then. Now? We've got a long 17 game season of Bryce Young, and Dan Morgan trying to find a QB in the upcoming draft. I'm not feeling good about the situation at all.

 

If this isn't the low point yet, I am gonna hate to see what it ends up being.

5 hours ago, Newtcase said:

So by that weighting the only three players that out performed their draft position in the last decade were all traded away for peanuts.

Technically only one of them was traded for peanuts(Burns) and he should have been traded for one of the larger hauls in recent memory.

Moore could be construed as peanuts depending on the outcome of Young's career. 

CMC was traded for the biggest haul you will probably see for an NFL RB in the next decade.