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I would say Slater again but I honestly don't don't think any rookie would thrive with the Panthers coaching. Mac would have been ruined in this offense. At least Fields could have run for his life, hardly the stuff of dreams tho. Parsons would have been another D player that would have resulted in SSDD. Our D can't save how bad the O is in personnel and especially coaching. At this point I'm not sure anyone could save this mess but it should have been Slater 10 out of 10 times with the ridiculously foolish Darnold trade.

Most of those players had some flashes of positives, not at all worried about them as players in itself (talent & ability). Carter looks like a backup at best but that is who he always was. Other than that, it looks like coaching and staff decisions has put everyone in bad spots. I just can't put it all on those guys, crap rolls down hill and they are at the bottom in the hierarchy of poop rolling. And yes coaching also includes working on cleaning up player techniques. This isn't to make excuses for the players. The coaching has been so bad, especially on the O, that it is just too hard to know how much the players played a part in the pooshow. The coaching is awful and headed backwards. Snow has shown positives but he has had no good answers for 2 big men up front getting run over, that's a huge issue. He also doesn't appear to be able to adapt to that challenge. That is very bad. I was excited for the positives he has shown but just 2 DTs up front has worked less and less as the year has gone on. He is looking like a failure if he can't change with the games we have left.

Heiniche is not the most durable QB. People acting like he will take WTF to a SB is kind of funny, maybe back in the 80s. Injury History Date League Injury Details Jul 19, 2016 Non-NFL Pedal Ankle Fracture Heinicke tore his left ankle in mid-July 2016. Aug 31, 2017 NFL Head Cranial Concussion Grade 2 Heinicke suffered a concussion in the preseason finale against the Miami Dolphins and was placed on IR Dec 23, 2018 NFL Arm Elbow Sprain Heinicke suffered a left elbow injury during Carolina's Week 16 loss to the Falcons. He was placed on IR Jan 9, 2021 NFL Shoulder A/C Joint Sprain Heinicke suffered an AC joint sprain during the wild-card loss to the Buccaneers. Nothing was too serious as he was able to finish the game He is having a great year for him, still 16 TDs to 10 INTs in his 4th year is hardly anything to put on a pedestal. PJ is more fun to watch than some of the guys in his tier but I have little belief he can win or win constantly. If he played 4 games in a row things would get real ugly with the film being out there. Then again, it doesn't take much film to predict this offense at this point. It's a place for talent to go and die, not thrive. Edit: LOL he is 28. Just lol.

I want to win but when we get to a spot like this, I'm torn. I won't lie, I was cheering for a QB pick in 2010. There was no hope, I just wanted the pain to end and I did not want another 2010 year. By this point in a season it's about improvement or draft pisition. We haven't seen improvement in some time so...

Looks to have, and I agree. I just can't confirm yet. We will know next week for sure, the last winnable game

Umm, don't stop on our account Rhule. Follow your heart and take your staff with you. Tepper, make it happen and save us from a lame duck coach year in 2022.

Cam can at least score in this pathetic offense, we are tied to Sam for 19 mil next year and he couldn't even do that for 3 straight games. With less than 3 fugging weeks on the team. Even if Cam is a shell of himself, he is still a better QB than the guy we pissing all of that capital away on. No QB is going to look good until the higher up issues are addressed. Anyone who doesn't look there first is football illiterate or has another agenda. Now that Sam is off the field, QB play isn't enough for any of the staff to hide their massive failures behind.

I know you are using heavy sarcasm but it is a legitimate path in this mess. Another year for this crew to eat their 2021 decisions while giving them a prove it year that very likely results in us with a top 3 pick. I'm not sure how attractive this job would be to a new HC with lack of cap and picks while looking at the players we have cap invested in for 2022...it's ugly. In no way do I want to see this, I'm just saying we might see it. A bridge QB would be an improvement to me from Sam 2022 and I'm not convinced that a rookie QB here would be a great situation even if it would feel more exciting than other options.

Hell if I know what to expect from this team anymore. And it not tanking if they are in the top 10 if the team is actually trying to win, it's just failing.

Who wants to stay and who moves on is going to be interesting. It's still to early for deffinates but it sure feels it's all headed that way.

This just in, the Carolina Panthers remain fugged. Next up, why whiskey loves you more than this team and tries to kill you slower.

Ron Rhule

It's all about the trainwreck at this point for me. I'm not taking it seriously but I'm not looking away lol

That is assuming a lot. I agree with the premise but it discounts that the D is falling apart every week while the O is at least scoring. It's all headed in the wrong direction and 'Doubling Down' doesn't sound like the answer. It's not over for sure but it's looking bad, I wouldn't bet on that outcome at this point.

Yeah, I'm just trying to keep my anger down until we see these last few games. I don't know what Rhule has to do to justify a 3rd year, plenty of reasons to not have one. Tepper can't be happy with any of this. We will see.

The HC makes more sense because you know you are getting 2 years. I wouldn't mind Daboll at all.

Ok, that's a possibility but even with the GM search our options were not top shelf and the best one walked away before the end. With the lack of meaningful NFL ties, the massive need for NFL experience and the crap position we are finding ourselves in I'm just having a hard time believing this will end up in more than a lame duck year for a staff that can't keep their heads above water in the NFL. I'm also not sure firing Rhule changes some of that, we are not a desirable location in 2022 for a lot of reasons. Love the work sir, it just sounds like we need a half court shot from guys that can't make a layup with a flat ball. (Hope that fits because I no nothing about basketball)

Since Darnold is the only QB under contract for next year, the HC is on the hot seat...who TF would take our OC spot? I can't imagine some of the more competent options flocking to come here in those circumstances. I just seeing it having to be an in-house promotion. Same with the Oline coach, who with a brain would come here with what we have and what we can allocate to improving on that unit?

We broke him worse than NJ, it would be a complete disaster. I'm not sure how they avoid it at this point. That dead cap is a huge chunk we need elsewhere, like in any playable player or 2 lol

Nope. These dummies thought 2 injury prone and mediocre olineman fixed their line and waiting till the 25 year old not good enough to start on this line I the 3rd. That's awful. That unit was a bigger need than CB, even with out horn and the rest of the traded ones. We had spent on nothing but D players the years before. If we would have drafted 4 olinemen it wouldn't have been an overreaction. The failure was in evaluation and they went after their guys leaving the team crippled by that poor evaluation.

We have had years worse than those. If we lose out and bring Rhule & Sam back there is zero indication it couldn't get worse, especially with cap limitations combined with draft option limitations.

This team could be winning this year but they made huge mistakes in personnel in the offseason. Even then a growing staff could sneak a few more wins with this roster but that is clearly not this staff, or at least any thing they have shown to date. As year 2 stands, this crew is still not NFL competent. Not close. It actually appears to be regressing somehow as the year goes on. Gilmore was a good trade, Henderson trade only looks bad because of the Sam trade, which combined with his wasted 5th year option is disastrous. The draft was mostly wrong and showed they don't understand value or need. No one has said it but we might have to keep Sam and Rhule due to cap restrictions, making next year a bye week year for me. That is as horrifying to me as allowing this crew to trade away future value again.

Rivera strung some wins late in year 2 to earn a year 3. You are dead right about him coming out conservative again and going Riverboat to save his job and earn a year 4. I haven't seen Rhule do a anything yet to earn a year 3. There is still some games left but it's looking bleak for him at this point, which is an improvement from Sam's last start where it looked like he might not make it to the end of the year.