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Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Who was questioning their NFL athleticism and arm talent? Darnold is basically a prototype in terms of physical talent. Baker is a little undersized but he has a big time arm and decent mobility. Everyone was saying they sucked here but I don't recall anyone saying that it was because they lacked the prerequisite physical talent. Quite the opposite.

Sure, they have the physical talent.

But people doubted their mental ability to play at this level.

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Accurate in a talent vacuum but no one was questioning Mayfield and Darnold's NFL talent.

Everyone was questioning that.

The narrative was that Darnold was too dumb to play in the league.

Baker looked like he couldn’t play football when he was here. 

By 10 year old asked: “why are the Panthers always so bad at football?”

1 hour ago, RJK said:

Nowhere else to post it but how did the panthers fumble baker and darnold so bad? Darnold looks like stud right now 

Because this fan base + ownership want immediate results.

Like all QBs, they play well when the team plays well.

We were trash when they were here. 

34 minutes ago, outlaw4 said:

I just find it utterly hilarious just how badly this place trashed Darnold and Mayfield while they were here and now we keep finding excuses to blame their success somewhere else on everything else except us. 

It’s sad that people are stilling putting the blame on the QB.

1 minute ago, MillionDollarCam said:

I know everyone wants to pick a side… Bryce or no Bryce. I wanted Stroud but Bryce is showing you everything you could possibly want to see considering the circumstances of no running game, a historically bad defense, and a kicker who can’t hit outside of 40 yards.

Some people just want Elite play immediately.

No patience.

No understanding of how other players + coaching impact QB play.

Bryce is staying for a while. Yelling about it isn’t going to change anything. 

Tepper is like the average Panther’s fan. If a QB isn’t immediately an all-pro hall of famer, he wants to move on. 

Football is the ultimate team sport. The team has to be good for the QB to be good and vise-versa. There are very very few exceptions.

Darnold never would have been good here because the team is still bad.

Let’s see what the next few games and next year look like.

Remember, our LT and WR + TE corp wouldn’t start on any good team.

1 minute ago, heel31ok said:

Because we can't get much for him.

Considering two of our last 3 QB cast-offs have gone on to be good players, I’m sure there is a market for another one.

Just now, KSpan said:

Maybe you should go back and watch the prior 17 or so before judging off of 3-4.

And again, where am I judging anything? I have pretty clearly acknowledged that Dallas is whopping the whole team today.

Unfortunately, I did watch all of those.

Bryce will be here next year as a starter. We’ll see what happens then. 

No amount of fan complains will cause the team to replace him.

I’ve seen reason to hope he can become something…that is all I’m pointing out.

31 minutes ago, KSpan said:

And that throw from Rush, and this game in general, shows exactly why single instances of looking good is meaningless. My take on Bryce has always been that his ceiling is somewhere around Bridgewater/Alex Smith levels of effectiveness and results. 

Haven't said much these recent weeks since I haven't had a chance to watch. Can finally watch this game and it's ugly, but Dallas seems to be eating their lunch today in general.

You should go back and watch the past 3-4 games before you judge based only on this game.

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

not this poo again..........

The Bryce love/hate discourse on this board is stale as my thanksgiving leftovers.

19 minutes ago, bandu said:

BY is nothing more than a backup caliber QB in the NFL & I cannot understand why anyon̈e would think otherwise ?...just saying 

 

Time will tell. He’ll be here all next year at least.

1 hour ago, tukafan21 said:

T-Mac wouldn't be a developmental rookie, this isn't drafting a raw WR in the late first or early 2nd who needs to work on a lot of things before they can make an impact, but any edge rusher we might draft in the 1st round would be.

This isn't a good free agent WR class, there's Higgins and then a big drop off, and even then, Higgins isn't a true elite #1, more of an elite #2 or low end #1.  It's much easier to find impact defensive players in free agency these days than on offense, teams make sure to lock up their offensive weapons before the defensive ones.

im good drafting one if he’s day one starter.

He’d have to be a high 1st rounder though.

We need a WR in FA.

Bryce needs someone with experience.

Not another developmental rookie.

Either take one of the 2 best WRs in the draft or go defense.

8 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Wasn't Mushin Muhammad a second rounder? 

He was.

13 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Can you translate all that for us that don't speak the language. 

1. He’s elusive. 
2. He makes high difficulty high value throws

3. 6th highest average depth of target.

We have a tendency to let the good ones go.

Decent recent 2nd rounders

Moton

Bradberry

Samuel

Donte Jackson

Chinn? Prob won’t count him.

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

you cant see say "if" so and so catches the ball and not apply it across the board.  Every qb deals with dropped passes.  And if you go there you can say "if" theilen doesnt make a crazy play on the tipped pass on 4rth down its a blowout.   You cannot deal in hypotheticals and not layer it across the board.  This game is one with ebbs and flows, its just is what it is.  The margins are too thin for mistakes.

That’s fine. So he’s 14th in passing yards over the past 3 games. A little more than Mahomes.

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

It doesn't work like that

If we’re judging his play since the benching it does.

Live and die on stats if you must, he looks way better and we’ll know if he is the long term answer sometime next season.

You’ve made your point. Now wait and see what happens.

36 minutes ago, Champagnepapi704 said:

Improvement...yes

Enough to justify a #1 pick..ehhhh

Franchise QB...

Let’s take out all the terrible games at the start of the year.

How do we rank over the past 3 games?

14th it turns out.

(who is that at 15th)?

Now…what would the rank be if we didn’t have all those drops?

20 minutes ago, Jmac said:

Putting all your chips on a "raw prospect", seems foolish to me. Having to take the time of training him up and then hoping for the best in the end.

If the move doesn't work out, it's then a waste of a pick and time. This team has been down this road before, and I can't think of one that has worked out. No matter what position.

Stop gambling and playing "magic eight" ball in the draft. Choose players that you are sure have the necessary tools to excel. Pick a player who checks all the boxes, especially with a high pick.

 

DJ Moore was pretty raw.

1 minute ago, OldhamA said:

The two major improvements are that he's now somehow finding space in the pocket - he's stepped up and scrambled several times where in the past he'd just take a sack - and Canales has basically thrown any play that requires velocity on the ball out of the playbook.

Is it sustainable? Who knows. 

Ron took all touch and anticipation throws out of Cams playbook. It worked out ok.

5 minutes ago, PadresPanthersFan said:

A rod still sucks with wilson and adams.

Caleb sucks with dj, odunze and Allen. 

Bryce is playing well with x and thielen as his top 2 and x is playing like young is throwing grenades. 

I wonder if there is a stat for yards and tds dropped. Young would probably be leading the league

One or two fewer drops by XL would give Bryce a better stat line against the Eagles than Burrow.

9 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

I disagree, he doesn't have the physical tools, his "potential" is severely limited because of that fact.

Before these last few weeks he's been so bad that people are confusing serviceable with true franchise QB potential.

He was the #1 overall pick and he's looking barely serviceable at the end of his 2nd season, that's not a good thing, he should have been looking like this from game 1 last year.

Not every players path is the same.

Not everyone improves on a linear trajectory.

At this point, his potential is the same as Strouds.

Time will tell.