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I started following football around the time of the Carson Palmer trade to the Cardinals, so not sure how he was prior, but I remember people saying he had a late career resurgence. Was he always pretty good or would he fit the mold?

4 minutes ago, mc52beast said:

Just remember Dalton hasn’t had a winning season since 2015. And also Bryce isn’t done yet, he’ll get another shot to show if he can play or not. 
 

QB draft isn’t that great next year, if Bryce is out I could see them keeping Dalton and waiting till 26.

I wouldnt say so matter of factly Bryce gets another shot. I dont expect Dalton to throw for 300 yards and 3 TDs each game, but if hes playing remotely solid, theres no chance you can bring Bryce in at this point.

4 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Our bet was that he was basically "pro-ready" between the ears. That blinded us to the physical limitations. 

I say that because I was one of those guys too.

I was in the same boat, although everyone knew he wasnt the most physically gifted athlete, but I guess one thing I didnt expect was the lack of perceived growth physically. I sort of assumed he was never going to be ripped, but I guess I assumed he would at least work at it more in the off season, maybe bulk up a bit, speed train etc, like most athletes do. This guy looks like the same kid we drafted 2 years ago, not one thats been in an NFL strength, conditioning, and nutrition program as his full time job with no other school distractions, etc.

15 hours ago, t96 said:

Nah he just sucks our line wasn’t even that terrible last year. Not good but not so bad that it would break an otherwise good QB

I feel like this is a sentiment I used to hold, but at some point we have to take a look in the mirror. Every QB that has left here has thrived and done way better. Eventually we have to be ok admitting that its us and hope things are different going forward lol.

27 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Notice how the Pats are sitting a guy that needs a lot of polish behind a long tenured veteran in a tough spot from a roster talent standpoint.

Should have been how it was for Bryce.

Yeah, unfortunately he was sold as the most pro-ready guy out of all the prospects, but in hindsight, he didn't have elite physical tools to fall back on to let him survive. I truly think its a different story if he sits a year, with this new line and decent receivers, I think he would be much better. I think last year totally broke him.
 

Wheres Marty Hurney at these days? Guy was incredible in the first round, should just bring him back as a First Round consultant

Yep, I think whether he came out and said it or not, its easy to get a read who your "boss" wants, and be swayed that way. I think Bryce crushed it at that dinner, hes well spoken, super likeable, just the sort of guy Tepper would fall for, while Stroud isnt nearly as polished speaking wise. 

I do think its strange how the whole S2 thing happened, like apparently Bryce had been taking S2's since highschool practicing them lol, I guess at least the S2 test is probably dead now, it certainly doesnt seem to translate at all. Bunch of snake oil that of course our owner bought into.

The only issue with the build the team, have a vet QB man the helm until you draft a rookie, is you are going to probably be good enough with said vet/middle of the road QB to win like 5-8 games a year, and sure, you can find franchise QBs in that range, but with how QB hungry teams are, you are getting the 4th/5th QB off the board in most cases, which complicates things.

I think the situation last year was bad, but it also is made look way worse by how bad Young was. Everyone talked about how bad the Texan's would be and how Stroud was going to have no chance, and magically their situation looked much better once you got a guy in there who could play. Andy Dalton made the situation look fine in Seattle, in a game where they had like 10 false start penalties as well. The o-line is much improved this season, and we have decent receivers, good enough where if you get a QB who can play, I think it looks much different.

14 minutes ago, Mage said:

4 1,000 yard seasons in 6 years (and one of the years he was below 1,000 he only started 10 games as a rookie).  Just finished 6th in receiving yards and tied for 8th in TDs.

"Has his moments"

Lol, its crazy that people after all this time still downplay DJ. He consistently put up 1000 yard seasons with some of the worst QB play imaginable, and then goes to Chicago where WRs go to die and puts up almost 1400 yards. Is he a top 3 WR? No, but its not like he was a top ten pick, if you can get a DJ Moore late in the 1st round you would take that everytime.

We are in no position to get rid of our best and most dependable guy on the line in Moton. Hes rock solid and never misses games. 30m is a huge cap number, so Id imagine they find a way to re-work the deal so both sides are happy. That is literally what Tillis is supposedly great at.

1 minute ago, Martin said:

Agree with you, it shows it is expected to be a longer term fix. This is the same length Shanahan got with the (at the time lowly) 49ers.

Yep, if for not anything else to help rebuild our reputation with coaches in the league. I don't think it was the wrong choice to can Reich, it was a disaster and that man had no juice left, but now is the time to at least give Canales 3 years. If you are going to hire a younger guy, theres going to be some growing pains a long the way. If in a few years its not turned around, then at least you showed you are willing to see it through.

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Yeah, I'm really hoping he doesn't regret that

I saw he responded to Panthers Culture on twitter. I hope for his own mental health he stays off Panthers Twitter going forward lol, its not a good place.

Any word on his introductory press conference? Do they probably wait until after this weekends games?

Just now, BrianS said:

This is a reasonable concern, but Evero's contract is with the team.  The only way he can leave is if he is offered a HC gig elsewhere or is told his services are no longer required.  If the new staff want him back, it's 100% in his best interests to come back and do his very best.  If the defense doesn't make strides in year two, it starts to make his star a little less bright.

That makes sense, his best bet for having success is probably here, in year 2 with his defense rather than starting fresh somewhere else. Will hopefully have a healthier defense as well, so I guess from his point of view, if hes looking to be a HC he probably stands to have the best chance here if he has a good year 2.

8 minutes ago, BrianS said:

Unless Canales has a really good plan for that side of the ball, I could get behind this.

I am not among those who thought Evero's defense was good last year.  However, I also acknowledge he had a lot stacked against him as well.  I'd like to see what he can do in year two.  If he succeeds, great, we've got a great DC or we get a pick when he becomes a HC.  If he fails, also fine, it's easy to get rid of him after 2024.

Yeah, my only concern with Evero is its now the second time you have passed over him for HC, I know if I was working at a place and two years in a row I went for a role and they chose someone else, I feel like I might harbor some resentment. Hes a professional, but he may want a fresh start somewhere else... but yeah Im not sure how thats usually handled. I know "technically" he cant go elsewhere if its a lateral move, but if hes unhappy, I dont think thats how you want to start things off.

2 hours ago, Daddy_Uncle said:

Would rather have a passionate young coach trying to make a name as a head coach than an old guy just looking for one last paycheck and half ass coaching

Yes, Reich felt like he was looking for an easy gig at the end of his career, I think that may have been Tepper's plan all along, have Reich bring along Thomas Brown then retire... unfortunately, Reich seemed exhausted and done.

You keep Evero on as DC unless he gets a HC job, if he leaves after this year you get a comp pick.

Thats definitely someone who will come in and create a culture, and hold players accountable. My only concern is the offensive side of the ball. Maybe Arthur Smith comes with him? He probably wont be in line for any HC gigs anytime soon, so maybe he would stay for awhile.

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

 

 

I have a bad feeling about letting Evero out the door, it just feels like hes going to be successful and he was right here.

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Much like tee higgins, why would either come here?

Careers are short in the NFL, its largely a myth that they go to the best situation, they like to say that but ultimately the money talks. If two contracts are similar, then sure the situations are the tiebreaker.

If we offer Mike Evans/Higgins the most money/years, they will sign here.

10 minutes ago, rayzor said:

y'all need to get used to the idea that we aren't going to interview anyone else aside from these three because most won't consider this to be a good option. Slowik is likely going to take the Ben Johnson route and stand pat for another year while Ben Johnson and other guys have better situations interested in them.

True, there's nothing flashy about guys like Evero, Canales, and Morris, but they could all easily be, in their own rights, better than what we've had in years. All three are good about getting a lot out of their players. Canales would probably be a lot more useful to us as far as getting a QB ready to be a winner here, but i think all of them are definitely respectable. 

we aren't the cool catch that can get any hyped up HC we want, so we have to set the bar at respectable. 

I agree, I would like Canales or Eviro tbh. I think if we are going the DC route, Id prefer Eviro over Morris, Id also probably prefer MacDonald over all the defensive options, not sure how highly sought he will be.

2 minutes ago, FuFuLamePoo said:

Yeah, it is a bit puzzling to me that we have no interviews scheduled past today. Obviously some of the initial people we interviewed are coaching this weekend, but we've seen reports that the Commanders and Falcons are setting up second interviews with Johnson. Falcons with Macdonald and Weaver also. There has been nothing our way about any potential interviews after today.

Yeah, Im surprised we dont have anything with Slowik, maybe he told us nah Im all set. Demeco Ryans Im sure is in his ear after he declined us and his thing about 'making sure Bobby goes somewhere he can be effective'. Felt like a direct reference to the Panthers lol.

Just now, Wolfcop said:

There is a long list of hires who were not popular at the time that turned out to be the right hires. I don’t care about winning the PC. Let’s win on the field. 

Yeah, the press conference thing is very true, people mocked Dan Campbells' and I remember Sirianni got memed for his run on thing about 'creating systems so we can be fast' or something. Even Mike McDonald people thought wouldnt work because of that conversation he had with Tua, just didnt sound like a HC, but maybe thats a good thing. Rhules press conference the media loved and we all see how that translated.

2 minutes ago, Steelo said:

Didn’t Mike McDaniel only have 1 interested team? Not making a direct correlation to ability, but situation. 

Yeah I think it was just the Dolphins. It is a bit strange no one else has interviewed Canales, seems like if you are a youngish OC with some success you get a look. Even Thomas Brown got a HC interview.

2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

If we hire Canales this week then that would be incredibly stupid

Yeah I agree, I like Canales, but hes not at risk of going elsewhere, you can do the due diligence of meeting in person with some of the higher demand guys and if you decide you like him the most, then hire him. The only ones they may need to move quicker on would be Morris/Eviro if they wanted to go that route, but I feel like most teams want to at least meet with Johnson, MacDonald, Glenn etc