Basbear

One thing I know I know about Indy is their D is legit top 10, maybe top 5. Until 2019 they had what the panthers have in 2021 at WR, deeeeeeeeeeep depth. idk about their 2021 corp. QNelson is out, I would have paid good cash to see Dbrown vs Nelson....

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I nearly quoted your first try to destroy the thread, got plenty of non-vaccine bait...

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I dont know and havnt seen anything for the causes. I dont even know if he was hurt before TC or what. I got him in the safety group for 53, big fan. He did great as a NB late in the season, played hard when there was no hope.

..........Just give the word and I'll be there with my crew to correct this great travesty...

Dennis Daley didnt make the trip...........I swear my LT hope just took a hit. My god Daley at least Little over came his injury issues...... dont let a decent OL get waved...

You can do it chuck, ignore the bait and stick to panthers.

Thanks as always @Captain Morgan !!

" THE GREATER GOOD!!"... I dont get how to grow your product by greatly restricting it... Seems most other teams are doing the same too. You do control the message and all its ultra fluffiness.

You have the fresh look, I remember a rookie that showed flash in spots. ive traded in my cable box, so no chance to to re-watch all the games, nor do I want too.... I'll take your viewpoint with belief. I still hold he will be a better rucker tho....but I still was in Greg Little's corner til mid-season last year as well...

The killer High ankle was his injury. I will say this too- like most young bucks hes immature....more than others..... according to DL coach. https://www.panthers.com/news/panthers-designate-yetur-gross-matos-to-return-from-reserve-injured-list Came back too soon as well, but the season was stinker....

This needs to repeated more, Chucky has ALL the power and final say. He hates rookies and much prefers vets. Mike was to be the ying to Chucks yang, but nothing but yang is going on. Over-rated as any HC in NFL history. Found a owner with the thinking hes the one above all and still living off a tdungy SB roster win. Wish he was still fuging up TB as HC, joke of HC, great on the mic tho....

Had cam for what 6 years and got 0 improvement year to year. 2 years with allen and hes the MVP(should have won in my book). Coaching up players..... depends on the players at times......I heard he played a Ricky Phrol role, more of his buddy and never coached him with a heavy hand. The staff was scared to upset the Icon, minus one dumbass tie on airplane deal. RR was a bad leader for Cam and Ken followed his lead some. All are to blame, including Cam too given what happened at panthers north.... One of the greatest coaches in history - "great men want to be coached ".

Not giving him a excuse, but he had a injury and came back early. I already forgot what it was, but think it was a 6 week deal and he cut it short. He could still lift some and added 5 lbs during the rehab. I think it ach tendon or planter fifahfuihufinbfiunainfa.

Yes I dont have a check list and not going to "makeup" one(Id need to think long and hard, take months). Case by Case, but 3 years gos along with many spots. Starts as you now can give confusion. Everyone here hated (except me when he was a RT)Byron Bell and he got starts. Fua and McClain started their rookies years, but were AWFUL, but they where the best option at the time....thanks herniay. I think that group gave up 5.2 per carry that season, nearly as bad as the 2019 rushing stats. I mean Hardy/CJohnson were totally different players form their 3rd year to the 2nd.

Ill be there in 2022, save me a spot.

Props to @SBBlue for finding all these odd stats to give us some hope. Dan Arnold has the most red zone catches using his left hand with tape on the middle finger...

I think he was a bad SUPER BAD fit form NY environment. Jets should have taken the SF loot gave for moving to 3rd. If NYC was smart, they hired a personal 24/7 assistant for Wilson. Give him a better chance, other than nothing. feels like Brent farve all over again....wilson needs a GB...

I truly dont have a legit end list of checks. I said before in one of the quotes- starts dont matter for DL(personally). One on the list for "legit" is not wanting to remove them form the field. Just took hardy three years before his impact was felt by everyone; coaches, opponents, fans etc. Three years is normal amount for a player to become a pro. RB, LB, WR(new to the list), and ST can make a impact year one form all rounds-UDFAs. QB like WRs have changed to where they also could be with RB and LB. Another layer is even free agents that are vets, most take one year as well.

I meant to become a legit NFL end. Before the rule changes WR was the same 3 yrs. I think one of the best rule for fans is patience. NFL is a real life meat ginder, only the first 10-15 or so picks should be thought of as 1st year starters. Best QB in the world was on the bench year 1, another top 3 former MVP still top 3 QB was on the pine for his first 3(maybe 4?). Plus one of my rules is I never judge rookie class til the 2nd full-offseason. *I will judge if they are cut or 1st/2nd all-pro Im also 99% sure YGM would have be a 1st rounder in this past draft, probability the first DE taken as well. I think he will have have a great PS games and follow it with a solid season as well.