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Rattler playing behind that terrible OL didn’t do him many favors I’m sure. Those inconsistencies while showing out against lesser secondaries is alarming though. Plus he wasn’t really good until his last year (5th year senior right?).

Check out his he played against A&M and Tennessee. Then he goes off on UNC (bad secondary), Miss St (bad secondary), JVST, and Vandy..

Well at least we are better equipped to develop a young WR. Don’t get me wrong XL has talent and I’ll cheer for him if he is the pick, I just have other prospects I like more. Especially at 33…

It will be nice if he does, but if not we will just roll the dice again.

My biggest concern about Legette is how be played against better competition. He seemed to put up great numbers against lower tier secondaries and was relatively quiet against better secondaries.

The ones that can look good with a bad OL and weapons are truly rare. I’d love to have one. Cam made it work a few seasons but injuries and inconsistencies piled up. I think it can make some press too hard to create something out of nothing. Bryce was never going to be a flashy QB, but I think the hope is he will be able to create plays and make the right reads to become clutch like he was in college. Whether he can or will is yet to be seen. I’ve always thought his peak is a smaller Burrow. Just seems to know where to go with the ball each play and extends them with his legs to compensate for not having an elite arm.

I tend to agree. Constant pressure leads to loss of fundamentals. Footwork gets sloppy, feet get nervous. It happens to all QBs when they are trying to make something out of nothing. Mahomes is the only one who can still pull it off pretty regularly with or without his fundamentals.

It's kind of funny, because several analysts stated it backwards. Young shined in college when a play broke down and that is when (aside from the UGA game) Stroud struggled. It just shows you drafting a QB can just be a crapshoot sometimes and requires them going to the right system and a little bit of luck... Personally I thought Stroud had the highest floor because he was close to perfect when everything was going right. I thought his floor was Goff with a higher ceiling. I kind of thought Young was the gamble but one teams would be concerned about passing up based on some of the "magic" he created in college. Stroud was the safest pick IMO which I was I was wanting us to take him after what we gave up.

Yeah, plus Stroud and AR have upper tier arm strength. I think Young being in that class makes his look worse. Plus like you said constant pressure. I remember Penix looking like he has a cannon when he had time in college, but against Michigan when he was under pressure constantly it looked much worse...

Most of what I read were concerns about his size in relation to durability. I probably read “if Bryce was 6’2” he be the perfect prospect” several times. Arm seemed to be mentioned as “good enough” by most. Hey if he busts maybe we overcorrect and draft a 6’8” QB with an absolute cannon?

AD is my hope but I feel like he won’t make it to 33…

Some people just like to be upset or angry. Unfortunately people with legit connections aren't going to sit here and keep giving it while the trolls are attacking...

The most legit one I remember was @The Crown and Clawor @The Crown and the Claw. They specifically called assistant coaching hires before they were leaked like Thomas Brown and Parks Frazier I believe.

Johnson seems to fit in with Bryce better. Quick route runner who can get open vs a deep threat. Hope he works out better too.

If he is there in the 5th and Bryce gives the ok, I’m taking him.

Burton is interesting. Seems to have a lot of talent, but is a bit of a headcase. We do have Young who knew him from High School in Cali and of course played with him in college. I wonder how he feels about drafting Burton?

Our offensive staff is pretty young, but at least Canales has been coaching in the NFL for a decent amount of time. HIs play calling is obviously very green, but I might prefer that over a stubborn vet at this point. Hopefully he will stay pretty open minded and adjust it based on the results on the fields because Reich did not... The good news is if he doesn't work out, Tepper won't be afraid to move on from him.

He is a business man and knows when to cut his losses. This is what kind of gives me hope he will eventually get it right. He also seems to be trying a different approach each time from Rhule, to Reich, and now a firm to help hire Canales all 3 very different candidates.

Swap one of those bottom 2 for Bortolini from Wisconsin and I'm all for it.

We read that it was built by Reich and Brown as was something like a 60/40 split. @CRA called bullshit on it and it sparked the whole debate. The more that comes out the more it looks like he was right. It was Reich's offense and he wanted to call the plays and do it his way. There is nothing wrong with that, but Brown was just there to appease Fitt or Caldwell or whoever it was that wanted Reich not to hire his guys... It would have been much better to have an OC from Reich's tree that he wanted that was on the same page as him from day 1 and relayed the same info to our rookie QB as the HC was.

The offense was Reich’s baby. @CRAwas right in our debate. Reich designed it and called the plays until he saw how bad it was. The plays were dull and boring with little PA, or pre snap motion and the OL was playing in a scheme that they weren’t suited to run. I’m not sure you can blame an OC that wasn’t calling plays at the beginning of the year on that. Don’t get me wrong, Brown didn’t look any better calling plays, but I think that is because he never called them before and it was Reich’s offense.

Same page matters when you are trying to build a solid staff to develop a rookie QB. Sure Stroud was the better choice, but Young was far from the only issue with our offense. In fact I'm not sure what was right with the offense from the play calling, protection, and weapons it was all a disaster. I'm just reading what the players commented about last season and Young. It appears the staff was definitely an issue... AT "Yeah, well, I'll say this: I mean, I think everything was stacked against him last year, unfortunately," Thielen said. "And I'm not gonna get into detail as to why that was, but I'm just really excited for him to have a fresh start, an ability to have a good coaching staff that's gonna put a good plan together to help him be successful, and also to put people around him to help him be successful." Hurst "I think it was apparent, if you were in this locker room, you could tell -- just a lot of voices," Hurst told the Charlotte Observer this week. "A lot of people trying to, I guess, right the ship. And I think it just got to the point where there were just too many voices." These are both older veteran offensive players who have played with several QBs and offenses.

Brown and Evero where flashy names that worked under McVay. I think Evero worked because Reich never really has anything to do with defense. He let Evero hire his own staff and run the defense without interference. I'm also not sure McCown ever worked with Reich before. Most GMs let their HC pick his own staff and if you hired the right person you should. I think we were trying too hard to make sure Bryce had the best group of people around him but instead he was pulled in several different ways and probably overloaded. I also don't like how we still have Caldwell on this staff. He would have been one that probably approved of the Reich hiring. Let Canales have his own advisors/staff without any other people overseeing it or "consulting."

I'm sure that was the idea behind it. To get the best people possible. It just didn't work because you had too many different ideas on how things should be ran. You need to let the HC hire his people so that everyone is on the same page. To his credit Tepper seems to be adapting. Reich was a completely different approach than Rhule. Now we have another approach through the help out of outside agency. If he keeps adapting and trying different approaches he is bound to eventually get it right. I also give him credit for cutting his losses on Rhule and Reich when it was clear they weren't the answer. That was millions of his dollars he was throwing away for a chance to get better.

"That’s what made Panthers owner David Tepper and GM Scott Fitterer’s directive this past winter to new head coach Frank Reich worth discussing. They told Reich not to hire people he knew. They wanted the best coaches, not coaches who Reich could personally vouch for. That’s a massive difference." https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/03/22/panthers-coach-frank-reich-hiring-assistants-david-tepper He was told not to hire people he was familiar with. The same thing the Giants did with Dabboll and looked how it turned out... Hire the right HC and let him decide who he wants on his staff. Then it's easier to hold him accountable IMO. We had a group of individuals with all different philosophies that went behind each others backs. Like I said the good news is he let DC pick his guys this time.