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I count only blue Carrs.

Yeah the Jets would be a solid team with a decent QB.

Some interesting data to unpack here. Without a doubt Fields holds the ball too long. I think in college he got away with it because he could just out run or overpower defenders if they got pressure. I found it funny when scouts were saying he was a “one read” QB. He definitely went through his reads, just spent too long doing so (probably processing speed is a factor). The pressure rate is what’s throwing me off. The Eagles have a great OL right now with basically the same players. PFF rated them as 4th in the league in 2021, but we all know how inconsistent it was about the Bears this year with a top 10 OL and two starters being in the bottom 5 for pass protection and a 3rd being the in lower half. Yeah there is no way I watched all the Eagles games or Bears. I do good to catch all the Panthers games. Hell even if I did watch them I doubt I have the football IQ to legitimately break down the film and see where the issues were aside from the obvious… https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-2021-offensive-line-rankings There is the PFF article I was referring to for whatever it’s worth…

Good point. Chicago might be the hardest to play at for QBs. Green Bay seems like it could be tough…

QB rating Hurts was 87.2 Fields was 85.2. Hurts was 61% with 7.3 yards per attempt Field was 60% with 7.1 yards per attempt. Fields threw one more TD and two more INTs. The only real difference is Hurts has 900 more yards but had 432 passing attempts to Fields only 318. So I guess you could argue Fields was turning it over at a higher rate per attempt but he also would be scoring at a higher rate per attempt (which explains why their ratings are so close). Fields also has about 400 more rushing yards but 2 less rushing TDs. Now throw in the fact Hurts had a superior OL, WR, TE and of course offensive staff working with him.

I think we agree he still has a lot to prove as a passer. It's honestly hard to evaluate him with what's around him. It's the age old argument if no one is open and there is no time to throw what can a QB really do? He fortunately can run and helped keep an otherwise disastrous season interesting for some fans. The main thing I see is his rating, yards per attempt, TD per game, completion % all increased this year despite getting a new offense, constant OL injuries and little talent around him (granted it was terrible his rookie year, but it is still trending up). One would imagine if they get him some protection, some weapons, and an at least average defense the wins will follow. He has shown he can clearly play and put up point in the NFL. I mean he had that anemic Bears offense putting up 19.2 PPG (that's including the backup's 10 point game), which put them over 9 franchises, so not quite a third of the league. All we can really do at this point is project and speculate. Chicago has the cap space and potential picks to put some talent around him and see how he grows. If they do that next year will really shed some light on him as a possible franchise QB or not. So currently I see a player still oozing with potential showing he can play decent with lots going against him which is why I would trade our 9 pick for him if possible, but Chicago won't do that because of the same reasons.

We better sign some fast linebackers if that's the case. Thomas Davis came here to basically stop Vick. Maybe we could turn Chinn into a LB like TD?

I'm sorry you brought up thinking like Rhule and assumed we would make the same decision that he did 2 years ago. That's just logic. But please keep posting on here how much you don't care. It's really making us believe it...

Hey Colts, stay away from that Cooter! It's spoken for!

The argument is Fields did elevate that current team. They were winless without him (obviously a very small sample size), but the game wasn’t even competitive. He elevated them from unwatchable to competitive but still bad. Bringing up Stafford’s stats would be irrelevant to the discussion about wins right? Fields broke several rushing records last year, but that doesn’t matter. The Stafford point is simply showing what a difference a team makes. It’s a team sport, always has been. I agree that next year should be telling of Fields. His current numbers are similar to Hurts his first full year as a start with arguably much less around him. Fields also had a defense that ranked dead last in points allowed per game and 4th to last in yards allowed. Expecting him to elevate the little talent around him to overcompensate for the league’s worst defense to get wins seems a bit far fetched to me. On a side note, I enjoy debates with you. You always bring a nice logical perspective. Keep up the good work on here!

I wish it was that easy…

They finished dead last, drafted Lawrence still finished last. Then signed a good HC and spent money in FA to actually build a team around him and he looked much better leading them to the playoffs. The Bears were 0-1 with a 31-10 loss to the Jets in the one game Fields didn’t play. They are just a terrible team and had no business winning any games honestly. It’s a team sport just look up at the Stafford reference.

Just look at Stafford at the Lions vs Rams. 0 playoff wins vs Super Bowl winner in one year. It’s a team sport and everyone knows that. The Bears got dominated by the Jets in the one games Fields didn’t play 31-10. They were 0-1 without him starting last year.

I don't think that's enough, but if it is then absolutely! Fitt can get those 3rd/4th rounders back by trading back.

Friendly reminder that if Williams and Maye are as good as advertised, they won’t be available for trade and will go 1 and 2 in the draft. Those wanting to wait until next year need to compare the potential 4th/5th options at QB and we might have to trade up for one of those.

Yeah that tells me these 4 QBs are much better prospects than anyone last year.

As a fan I love watching games in the tough weather. However I understand why players feel differently. It has to hurt getting tackled in the freezing cold…

Just get the man some platform shoes.

It’s like Lawrence struggling and his team finishing last. Or when Pederson kept pulling/playing Hurts and they finished with 4 wins. On a side note people should check how similar Hurts numbers were with Fields.

Dane Brugler’s player rankings is a better source that all the mock drafts. He had most of last class’s QBs ranked outside the the first 64 picks.

You are referring to a decision made 2 years ago when Rhule was in control and passed on a player. Thinking they would feel the same way still is implying they think like Rhule. So your comment actually implies they are just as stupid.

I doubt Richardson falls to the 2nd. I will be surprised if he drops out of the top 15.

I agree Lamar is a good bit better. Hell last year Carr had Adams, Walker, Renfro, and Jacobs while Jackson has Andrews and……

Really? Most have Carr rated higher than Jimmy G. Hell Jimmy G might have to find a backup job this year unless maybe the Jets sign him?

Tillman would be a steal that late. He was Tennessee’s 1 before he got injured. Who is Avila going to replace?