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Hell yeah, we finally have good starters AND the depth that we need!

"These picks don't matter anyway" is how you slowly, invisibly lower you chances of winning until you take yourself out of contention completely. We're short a third from the Corral trade and a fourth from the DJ Johnson trade, when according to the front office, a third and a fourth is the price for a guy who's so good that you just have to jump up and take him. A guy like DJ Johnson or Matt Corral!

There's no need to insist on ignorance in this situation. On the field it's going to look like we don't have a fourth-round pick that we would've had if we hadn't decided that we had to move up to get this guy. Plenty of publicly-available estimates exist that can tell you the value of a fourth round pick. We know what we lost immediately. The only thing we don't know is whether this dude would've been there when we picked next. As it stands now, there remain several free agent EDGE guys, and an unknown number of dudes will get cut as camp progresses, and an even greater unknown could be available for trade for, say, a third- and fourth-round pick. We also know who was still on the board at our actual pick, and "big edge who tested well" describes Dylan Horton, Ade Adebawore, Isaiah McGuire... It also reeks of the Seahawks' normal process from the past several years, which was to "get their guy" no matter what anybody else thought of them. It didn't work well for them, and they finally fixed it, but it looks like we're not going to do the same. https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1651930498350960640

This is the downside of the Seattle draft strategy. Taking "their guy" whenever they feel like they need to, regardless of value or cost. We burned a ton of draft capital last year doing this to grab Corral. And now we're doing it again for a random edge.

This thread is wild; there’s no reason for people to hate Burns like this. Charles Johnson didn’t start getting sacks until his fourth season. Addison took five years to become a player. Rucker had three, maybe four good years as a pass rusher. Burns has already basically matched the peak three-year stretches of every other edge in franchise history (Pep excluded), and hasn’t even gotten to his second contract yet. He’s number two. It’s not close. EDIT: Kevin Greene’s three years were better. Burns should pass him in a couple of years, but right now Greene’s got a better case than I realized.

I think they’re pretty different prospects Tremble has pretty normal tight end traits. Washington’s physical advantages are going to give him a reason to be on the field from day one. He just has a much higher floor than most tight end at draft time.

Better options at 39: DJ Turner, Keanu Benton, Darnell Washington, Cam Smith, Josh Downs. We’ve got a great offensive line coach and just brought back every starter. We can add depth on the line later in the draft.

How many times do they have to let premium players walk before people stop making this argument? Terron Armstead, franchise left tackle, unable to be retained because of that strategy. There have been plenty of others. Nothing’s free.

No JAG linebackers, please. There are bigger immediate needs at safety, slot corner, and pass-catcher. And if we're making depth moves, better to do it at basically any other defensive position or on the offensive line.

lol they just hit 'undo' on the Amari Cooper trade. That worked out well for the Browns, so Dallas is smart to make basically the same move. Would've been nice to have been in on this move.

Foreman's a very good runner. But Sanders' rookie-year reception count is more than double Foreman's career total. Foreman limits the offense; Sanders opens it up. That's the difference in value. A lot is being made of Foreman's RYOE, which was sixth the league. Guess who was right behind him at seventh? Chuba Hubbard! We still have a very good runner in the backfield, but now we have someone who can catch passes, too.

Yes, and I hope it happens soon. We know he’s a backup now. And if we pay him like a backup, he’s a pretty good value. Athletic, positionally flexible, good vibes. Keep him around.

Did you see anything with Jack Campbell that made you drop him below all of these guys? Also, if Evero wants to blitz a lot then it seems like we'll need some guys with pass-rush juice. I see it with Sanders; have you seen it with anyone else? I've heard Nick Herbig might be an edge-to-linebacker conversion but don't know who else might fit.

I would really like to not overpay Bozeman. The hidden key to our run game last year was offensive line health. We only lost Elf through the first 16 games. It’s already guaranteed that we’ll be less healthy next year, so there’s a good chance that we’re about to pay more money to our O-line just to watch it regress anyway. I just hope they don’t get swept up in thinking that continuing to throw all of our assets at one spot is going to be the answer.

I know QB coach -> OC is the norm, but I'd really like a candidate to have a background with the O-line or as a running game coordinator. We'll probably need to coach up some young QB's for a while here, but we've got an elite run game right now and need to keep it that way. The next OC needs to be able to keep the running game as varied and effective as it is now.

Incredible thing to say about an NFL head coach. Absolutely wild.

There’s basically no info from inside scouting departments yet, the mocks don’t mean too much yet. But he definitely has the kind of talent that teams fall in love with, and it only takes one.

His rushing should give his offense a decently high floor, not too different from how the Giants use Danny Dimes. He’ll get beat up, though, and his passing is definitely going to set a low ceiling, at least at first. I wouldn’t expect those early Cam 300-yard games. But depending on where we end up he could be a great pick.

If we can't find a way out of that spot, Bresee. He's just the best prospect as of right now, which is a huge caveat this early. Levis and Richardson offer floors because they can run. Tanner McKee is the better long-term passing prospect, though. He's flying under the radar on the east coast so far.

GOOD: run defense BAD: pass defense Checks out

Recovery from this injury has gotten better recently. Durant, James Robinson. Hopefully he’s back near full health next season.

People want to make smart decisions to maximize the value of our assets. “You guys just want to blow it up” is reductive. Nobody wants to trade Moore. The Burns proposal would’ve been a win for us, though.

Why would you hit the reset button if you have an actual competent team? I’m not advocating for trading Burns because he’s not good. He’s just not in a situation where his being good is leading to wins. This team has too many holes, most notably at quarterback, and isn’t going to compete for at least another couple of years. By the time we’re actually competitive, the return on that trade will probably be better than Burns alone. Pretty simple. I don’t know how to help you with that last point; if you just want to laugh at the current team then don’t come into the thread that’s obviously about trades and how to weigh the value of the present vs the future.

You’re making up the immediate losing = exile line. Losing with an intentionally-built, young roster that’s loaded with rookies who could be the cornerstones of the next great Panthers teams is not going to result in those guys being tossed. Its about defining and maximizing your window, not being reactionary.

Guys, he is an exceptional pass rusher and he is 24 years old, let's stop complaining about the imperfections in his game. He's worth paying. (If you're not going to trade him, which they obviously should have done.)