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We are within striking distance of having the ability to trade up for a rookie QB who can help this team be competitive. I believe in Young or Stroud with the current roster we have more than any available vet. I wouldn’t have suggested this with last years class. However at some point you have to get a QB and this seems like the most logical year to after one. 1st round picks are never a guarantee at any position but I’m willing to take that risk for the most important position on the field. How much longer do you want to wait to try and secure a franchise QB and even if we wait how do you plan on getting one?

We’re just in a tough spot there. We have already wasted a 2nd(38th overall in 22), 4th and 6th on Darnold not to mention the cap space. Plus last years 4th and this years third for Corral (76th overall this year)

Too late to edit but Brissett is obviously not on rookie contract at this point.

Here are the top active QB's, you can adjust the order but these arguably the top 24 (top 75%) only in order of who came to mind. Again this is not an exact ranking, so don't focus on that part. Bolded names are still under rookie contract. 33% of them are still on rookie contracts. Patrick Mahomes average annual salary 22.22% of teams cap Joe Burrow Justin Herbert Josh Allen, average annual salary 22.34% of teams cap Aaron Rodgers, average annual salary 26 % of teams cap Jalen Hurts Tua Tagliova Lamar Jackson (free agent) Dak Prescott average annual salary 19.75% of teams cap Deshaun Watson average annual salary 23.9% teams cap Trevor Lawrence Kirk Cousins average annual salary 17.28% of teams cap Daniel Jones (free agent) Kyler Murray average annual salary 23.95% of teams cap Derek Carr (free agent) Jared Goff average annual salary 16.54% of teams cap Rusell Wilson average annual salary 25.2% of teams cap Matthew Stafford average annual salary19.75% of teams cap Justin Fields Geno Smith (free agent) Jimmy Garropolo (free agent) Ryan Tannenhill average annual salary 14.57 % of the teams cap Mac Jones Davis Mills or Jacoby Brisset, your choice. In terms of being available via unrestricted free agency I can only see Carr, Jimmy G and tiny outside chance of Geno smith being available without trading assets. Carr will be 32 next month, Jimmy G is 31, and Geno smith is 32. I don't see any of them going to a new team for much less than Tannenhills 14.57% of the cap, which would be annual average of at least 35 Million per year. I don't know maybe Jimmy G will take less, but with so many teams in need of a QB and lack of them available he seems to have decent leverage. This leads us to Jacoby Brissett who is 30 years old and played for Reich before. However his career winning percentage is 18-30. He might be a upgrade over what we saw last year but in no way has proven himself to be more than a capable backup. Regardless if it means staying pat at 9 and taking BPA there or taking a swing in round 2 or possibly packaging picks to move back into the 1st, I just can't see how we could justify doing anything other than selecting a rookie QB who can start this year at least by the 2nd half or if injury dictates sooner. Here's to hoping this front office can pull something off and I am totally ok with them doing whatever necessary to land the right guy.

Franchise tag for 23 is 32.4 million and 41.7 in 2024. That's a total of 74.1 divided between 2 years, so that's an average of 37 million over the next 2 years. I think that would become the bare minimum. If they met in the middle of 45 and 37 per year that rounds out to 41 per.

For comparison the total value of the 1st overall pick is $40 million over 4 years! With only a 7.5 million cap hit in year 1. If the Bears are willing to trade that pick and we believe in of these QB’s I don’t see how we can say no to any offer short of them asking for more than 3 1st rounders. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/draft/

This is music to my ears!

Fair enough. Will be really interesting to see how this all unfolds.

What’s your plan for QB and winning a SB?

I understand that the odds aren’t in our favor based on history of trade ups. I’m just willing to take a gamble based on where we find ourselves and that I think Stroud or Young would succeed with the rest of this roster and coaching staff. I know you hate the idea and would like to hear what you think we should do to address the QB position?

Example 1, Rams have still won a Super Bowl in spite of what they gave up to move up. Example 2, the Bears picked the wrong QB. They should have taken Mahomes or Watson. They didn’t but were in position to do so. Example 3, still won a Super Bowl and made it back again just last year.(Eagles). Example 4, short of their QB room being depleted by Injuries sure could have been in the superbowl this year.(49ers) Example 5, was actually the Bills who landed Josh Allen and we know they don’t regret it. Aside from the Bears regardless of what those teams gave up all of them have been in Super Bowl contention, even with many of them missing on a QB. So not quite the devastating effects you might assume.

I think we have to whatever it takes to get up to 1, assuming the Bears even willing to part with it/ go down all the way to 9. We have assembled the best possible coaching staff to groom a rookie and have a line that can protect them. The timing just seems right to take a swing here. This coaching staff and the current talent we have makes me believe we won’t be inside the top 10 again, especially since our division is such crap The only thing holding us back is truly not having a franchise QB. With the cost being so prohibitive to acquire a vet via cap space alone and potential other assets just all cements the time is now in my Mind.

Fwiw it’s worth outside of the Gettleman years we have largely knocked our 1st round picks out of the park, yet it’s done nothing for us. Getting Cam got us closer to back to back winning seasons and even a Super Bowl performance. So I don’t know that losing a couple 1st round picks is really the end of the world, especially if it lands us a franchise QB. We also tried to trade the farm for Watson, so I can see Tepper and co being on board if we identity the right guy. We have made the playoffs 8 times as a franchise. In 96 it was largely because of our defense. With Cam we made it 4 times and 3 other times with Jake at the helm. It’s no coincidence that they are the 2 best QB’s in our history. When looking at recent Super Bowl winners, or even conference championship teams, they all have a top tier QB paired with a good HC. Im all in on at least trying taking a swing for one, as opposed to the 0 back to back seasons us nailing 1st round picks has done for us.

Here's a recent look at the history of top 5 overall picks traded **There are trades where future 1st became top 5 picks but this is strictly regarding trades made to move up in a current draft. For example the Browns could have had Watson at 12 back in 2017, but traded down to 25 with the Texans and received 4th overall from the texans in the next draft. Kind of ironic considering they just paid 3 first rounders plus to get him years down the road. First number 1 overall: Last traded 2016, Titans to Rams, Titans received: 2016 picks: 15, 43, 45,76. 2017 1st(became 5th overall) and 2017 3rd (pick 100) Rams received: 1st overall, 4th and 6th round pick The last time number 1 overall was trade in 01 for Vick 2nd overall pick: Last traded 2017, 49ers to Bears Bears received 2nd overall pick 49ers received 3rd overall pick, 67, 111 and the bears 3rd in 2018 2016 the Eagles traded up from 8 to 2 with the browns Eagles got 2nd overall pick, and a 2017 4th round pick Browns got 8th overall pick, 77, 100 and 2017 1st round pick and 2018 2nd round pick 3rd overall pick: Last trade 2021, Dolphins to 49ers 49ers got 3rd overall Dolphins got 12th overall, 1st and 3rd round picks in 2022, 1st in 2023 2018 the Jets traded from 6 to 3 with the Colts Jets received 3rd overall Colts received 6th overall, 37,49 and a 2nd round pick in 2019 4th overall pick: Last trade 2014 , Browns to Bills Bills received 4th overall Browns received 9th overall, 1st and 4th in the 2015 draft 5th overall pick: Last traded Jags to Bucs Jags received 5th overall Bucs received 7th overall and 101 These trades should serve as a good gauge for what it may take for us to move up to select a QB inside the top 1-3.

Draft position of teams MOST in need of a QB are bolded 1. Bears, no need unless they decide to trade Fields 2. Texans , Davis Mills was not good enough to preclude them from spending this pick on a QB. 3.Cardinals( they are married to Murray and 0 threat to draft a QB, but possibly a great trade partner) 4. Colts, after hiring Steichen who helped groom Hurts, surely they must be eyeing a QB here. Could they try and jump their division rival and move up all the way to 1? I would if I were them. 5. Seahawks, Possibly. We will know more once we see what kind of deal they sign Geno Smith too, if at all. 6. Lions, seems unlikely. 2 more years on Goff's deal and Ben Johnson stayed for a reason. 7. Raiders, Clearly after releasing Carr and reports of being cash poor, a rookie QB here or using this pick to move up makes a ton of sense. 8. Falcons, Right now they lead the rumor mill in the Lamar Jackson trade potential. They have the cap space to sign him to a mega deal, so maybe there's something there? MHS831 already pointed out, this would just put the Ravens in a place to take a QB with this pick and give them additional ammo to move up. 9. Panthers Finally here we are. We may have a slight advantage over the Falcons in a trade up scenario as have 40 and 62. Their 2nd round pick is 45. ------------------- 11. Titans, Yes they are behind us, but if anyone falls, they might like to jump us. This is also Tannenhill's last year of his deal there, so we will see if they extend him. 13. Jets, Who knows what their plans are but again someone within range to potentially trade My quick thoughts. Texans likely won't trade down but may try to secure number 1 overall if price isn't too steep, as a defensive approach from having the Colts (or anyone really)jump them. Cardinals seem like the absolute most likely trade down candidate but how far would they be willing to go? If no trades happen through 3, Colts can stay right there and have the 2nd QB selected, or possibly even 1st if the Texans miraculously pass one. Raiders are a wildcard and do crazy things, but safe to assume they would look strongly at QB at 7 if they don't trade up. Lastly, I don't even know if it's possible for us to move up to the 1-3 range if other teams are offering a lower 1st this year and similar future compensation. I think I would be ok with trading 9, 62, 2024 1st and 2025 1st if that got us to number 1 so we can have the QB of our choice. If were talking trading to 3, then that would have to be a draft day decision imo because, 1 and 2 could easily be back to back QB's.

Bears picking 1st overall, are we convinced they don’t take a swing at Stroud or Young? Surely the Texans at 2 would select one of them. Cards at 3 are married to Murray based on his contract. Colts at 4 need a QB as badly as we do. Seahawks at 5 have Geno Smith but was he good enough to stop them from drafting a QB? Luckily he’s a free agent, so the contract he ultimately gets or doesn’t should tell their intentions. Lions at 6, is Goff good enough for them to not take a QB, if Stroud or Young falls this far? He has 2 years left on his deal and could potentially be a trade asset if they choose to draft a QB. Raiders at 7 are cash poor so a QB on a rookie contract would be most ideal for them and seem like a good candidate to move up to secure a QB Falcons at 8, seems unlikely Stroud or Young could fall this far but if they did surely the Falcons take them. Finally, here we are at 9. 0 chance Stroud or Young make it this far. So we’d have to trade up and that’s assuming we can put together an enticing enough package. Not sure how Levis is viewed internally or with teams above of us, but seems plausible that if he’s viewed as a better option than Carr, then unlikely he makes it to 9 either. If we’re dead set on landing a top rookie instead of Carr, then we better hope he signs with the Texans or Colts. However if he does sign with one of them, is that a sign that the top QB’s in this class are being over rated? I’m really unsettled on what to do here but can’t wait to see it all unfold.

Sure did. Whoever that is has legit intel.

I appreciate the fact checking and correction. I also left Tabor off the post completely but once I realized it, was too late to edit.

I agree, I desperately want a young top 10 QB but if there’s one in this draft it’s certainly not crystal clear.

Caldwell has 2, (Super Bowl 41 with colts and Super Bowl 47 with the ravens) Capers and Campen earned 1 together with the packers (super bowl 45) Frank Reich (Super Bowl 52 with the Eagles) Ejiro Evero (Super Bowl 56 with the rams) Deuce Staley 2( Super Bowl 40 as a player with the Eagles and Super Bowl 52 as a coach) That’s a total of 8 rings on the Super Bowl staff so far. McCown and Hansen are the only 2 coaches under contract so far without a ring.

OC candidates: Brian Griese is the QB coach for the Niners. He’s done a great job with whoever they’ve thrown out there from Jimmy G to Nick Mullens to mr irrelevant Brock Purdy. I also don’t mind that he’s a former player and learned Under Shannahan. Brian Johnson, Eagles QB coach has done a tremendous job with Hurts who someone didn’t get drafted until 53 in the 2020 draft. Dave Canales QB coach for the Seahawks since 2010. Was there for Russel Wilson’s prime and helped Geno Smith resurrect his career and of course well over a decade learning from Pete Carroll. Brian Hartline O.C Ohio state. He’s a former player and coached Chris Olave, Garret Wilson and Marvin Harrison Jr. as a receivers coach at Ohio state. Was just recently promoted to O.C last month at Ohio State, so he may be a long shot. Defensive position coaches. Lovie Smith, Gus Bradley and Kris Richard are the biggest names I can think of. Anyone else I’m missing?

Awesome, now let’s throw some money at Kris Richard to be the secondary coach.

I’ve included the top 2 consensus rookies to see where you think they fit in as well. Joe Burrow Josh Allen Justin Herbert Tua Tagovaiola Jalen Hurts Trevor Lawrence Lamar Jackson C.J Stroud Bryce Young

Burns had 12.5 last year, so he surpassed this 9+ mark you’re stating. Either way, enjoy the game and I’ll gladly resume this tomorrow with you!

Getting 9+ sacks out of one player consistently is tougher than you’re making it sound. Check out this site, it’s great for looking up stats like that. https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/who-has-the-most-sacks-the-last-3-seasons Only 13 players have 27 or more sacks over the last 3 seasons (averaging 9 or more). Burns is the youngest one on that list, granted Parsons just missed it in only 2 years but he’s an outlier.