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This. Y'all need to watch what that dude says. Personally I think he's a fraud, but I'm also a really skeptical person so

Thank god. This was important.

Beyond size/durability concerns, what questions are you seeing regarding Young?

That's no reason not to draft one though. I fully expect us to sign a mid tier WR and TE for this year. Vet guys who are reliable pass catchers. Guys who may not be explosive or shifty, but reliable when the ball goes their way. It would be great if Tremble took a step forward. I'm also looking forward to seeing what Jefferson can get out of TMJ, Shenault, and Smith. It is possible with this staff that we have some answers on the roster, though I wouldn't go into the season banking on that.

I wouldn't say that. I've watched a bunch of both and to me Young can do things that Stroud either can't or won't. Some of the throws he makes, it's like you can't teach that. Full field reads. Not just one play, but all over his tape. Hardly any of that in Stroud's tape. Young is the clear cut number one QB in this draft without any question, if it wasn't for his size. All that said, Stroud is no slouch and wouldn't mind him, but Young is the safer pick in a lot of respects, besides size. Stroud struggles with pressure, which Young just avoids it easily. Young doesn't lower his eyes like Stroud does. Stroud takes sacks while Young turns a negative into a positive. Stroud stays on his 1 receiver too long and doesn't go through his progressions quickly enough - meaning either slow processing or indecisiveness. A lot of these negatives are coachable. Personally, I think I've actually talked myself into Young. I think I would take the injury risk. Barring career ending injury, I think Young will be an elite QB in the NFL. I think Stroud will possibly become an elite QB in the NFL.

This is where I'm at as well. To me, a good TE>WR for a rookie QB. Also, in this draft we should be able to get a premier TE at 39 vs a 2nd or 3rd tier WR. They will need to target a WR in the 3rd or 4th with upside, as well as get a FA WR.

I don't think it's a collusion thing either, but really what does that matter? If 31 owners came out and said, "hey we all agree and we aren't doing fully guaranteed contracts for QBs now or ever," as far as I know, they wouldn't be breaking any laws, it's not a discrimination issue against anyone, the NFLPA wouldn't be happy about it, but other than arrange a strike, they can't do poo about it. This wouldn't be the same as two companies colluding to inflate prices of commodities, as I do not think each team is looked as an individual entity, it all falls under the NFL. Idk, I get players wouldn't like it, but I don't see a problem with "collusion" in this case or a reason to hide it, other than PR.

They don't want to do the Ravens dirty work for them. They should have did an exclusive tag and tried to trade him. THEN they would have had suitors.

true, but if Cardinals are going defense, 2=3. It would be the same situation as moving to 2, but with higher compensation.

I think trading down to 3 is more likely. If the Cards think we'll get a massive haul that would be difficult to refuse from someone to move up for Anderson or potentially Carter, then they might want to move up to make sure they get their guy. Overall, I'd say a trade down to anybody would be unlikely.

Bye DJ! Love ya but ya gotta do what ya gotta do to get a QB.

Not calling you out specifically on this, but if our drafts have stunk, what does a good draft look like? Needless to say, Overall I do not feel this way, at all. I'm genuinely curious what most folks expect from a draft class?

This may be the dumbest topic I've ever seen.

He's not going to come cheap enough for anyone here to be happy with this.

I wanna bring back Bradberry.

This is kind of a given. If the Colts are offering 3 firsts to move up 3 spots, it would probably take us about a bajillion picks to move up from 9. Most likely they can get at most 2 firsts from the Colts. From us, there are a lot of options. We could do 3 firsts and 1 second this year. Or 2 firsts and a haul of picks this year. The Bears need a lot of players, and I can see them passing on the very, very top tier talent for a load of picks. allowing them to do a 1 offseason overhaul.

That's already started. Pretty sure there is a thread on here about moving to 3. With Carr gone, I'm 100% sure we're moving up. Idk if it will be 1 or 3. If we can't secure one of those, might as well stay put, or make a move on draft day based on how the board falls.

CrownNClaw was legit. He kinda gave a heads up on several hires a day or two it being official. He clearly had inside info. Even gave Duce Staley's official title days before it was announced. This Leaky Faucet guy, talks like he's in the know, but hasn't said anything to confirm it's not just all fiction. He hasn't broken any news before the news broke the news. I take everything he says with a grain of salt because there just isn't a way to confirm he's a legit source.

Even if we aren't interested in Rodgers, it's possible we are more checking on how hot Carr will be. If Rodgers is available, Carr has less suitors and there is less pressure on the Panthers to make a decision quickly. If Rodgers isn't available and Lamar isn't available, then Carr is the #1 QB in this market.

Fournette asked to be released. Wanted to be available beginning of FA. Was probably getting cut either way.

If Lamar goes to ATL, that becomes another team above us definitively in the hunt for a rookie QB.

One thing Dan O said when talking about being close to joining the Panthers, he said "I like their plan at the QB position". It's hard to say how much insight he has from the interview process, but clearly enough to know the direction the team wants to go, and he approves of it. Is he just reinforcing what he already knows they want to do?

High priced retreads always work out. Just look at Russell Wilson and Deshaun Watson.

Look if you have two candidates that you see as equal, but one will net you two 3rd round picks....seems like the policy is working as intended.

The complaints about the wonderlic, at least for certain positions, there is little correlation between scores and future performance. It's common for great QBs to have poor scores. S2 releasing the data would help quite a bit. How common is it for low S2 scorers to be great QBs? That is very important to know. By the snippets posted, this test does seem to show correlation between test results and ability. Without knowing the full scope of their study however, it's hard to say how anecdotal the data is.