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This would be the type of move to get someone in their front office canned in a hurry if the team underperforms. I don't see them moving a 24 year old WR who is coming off a career season.

Haven't had a winning season since 2017 have had some of the worst drafts in recent memory in three consecutive years we're rumored to be seeking a "less than market deal" to move down out of an 8th overall pick and here you are shining shoes while judging others. Insufferable kiss ass.

I mean it's strange to say the picks don't have to do with anything. We're heading into the 8th consecutive season of possibly yet another losing record. We're never going to alter trajectory if we can't start hitting on picks regardless of if we move around or how other teams perceive our GM.

When Scott Fitterer got behind a microphone and gushed over Ian Thomas I knew we were cooked.

Reading this thread It's very easy to see how Scott Fitterer had so many fervent defenders in those early years.

The Rams have a front office that generally has an eye for talent in the draft. The Panthers can move up and down all they want. The results say they can't draft worth a poo to save their lives if they needed to. And Dan Morgan until proven otherwise is not an upgrade in that area. If the argument is more picks will give them a better chance to not fug things up that at least has some level of logic behind it. Certainly it's better than different variations of comments that are basically akin to telling folks here they think they know more than the experts ie the Panthers brass.

Trading down for the sake of trading down and then watching prospects from one position group fly off the board and trading back up in a panic was Scott Fitterer to a tee. Some people here have developed Stockholm Syndrome.

You don't make a deal just for the sake of making a deal when you already have the reputation of being a sucker. That was Scott Fitterer's motto. "In on every deal". Dude was even worse than Marty Hurney when it was all said and done. If Morgan follows in those footsteps and continues to draft poorly he will be sealing his own fate.

Considering we've had a regime the last several years who felt it was prudent to assembling a winning roster to look over the bottom of dumbass teams rosters for talent like the Jaguars and the Jets and send them assets for their rejects well... sadly yeah. In the current term we've at least moved on from that foolishness so I guess that's a plus.

What does one have to do with the other? Teddy got plenty of chances with multiple teams. Howell got one full season with a soon to be fired head coach in Ron Rivera and then got sent packing.

Well that's good to hear. Certainly Canales can walk and chew gum at the same time ie develop more than one QB. This will make me feel better about the QB room.

I don't recall on that. The guy who was the loudest Matt Corral fan was rippadon and he was always saying "let's eat" referring to Golden Corral. It was cringy. But I couldn't help but feel sorry for the guy. It's been tough being a Panthers fan that's for damn sure.

I agree completely about needing more impact players but based on what Dan Morgan did in the 2nd round last year trading up for not just a luxury position but an already injured player in his first draft his judgment is a concern until proven otherwise. Hopefully he learned something we'll see.

Well you have to remember you are talking to someone who was once the most outspoken defender of Teddy Bridgewater. He's gonna do what he's gonna do to carry water for his guy. He's certainly committed to his cause.

2022 2023 and 2024 should be enough to get those involved blackballed from scouting and working in front offices ever again. Just unforgiveable ineptitude.

I was unaware of this as well. Supposedly he's been willing to do individual workouts with teams instead. Still though that's not what you want to see at all from someone under consideration for a top 10 pick especially at a position like TE. We just need to go DL at 8 and keep it moving.

This is basically the perception our FO to the rest of the league right now.

I appreciate your enthusiasm. I'm hoping for a successful outcome for a change. We'll see.

Best speculated return I've seen suggested so far is an extra mid second round pick. The best 2nd round pick we've made in the last 8 years was Taylor Moton all the way back in 2017. And that was a Dave Gettleman pick. We are simply not good at this.

Sounds like the Panthers front office likes the smell of their own farts too much and thinks there are chump teams willing to give up a haul but this isn't the draft for it. And our rep is still the team that gets fleeced not the team that does the fleecing.

If there is anyone suggesting we are a defense away from legitimate playoff contention they are smoking some good poo. I think we should be able to compete in this pitiful division but anything else is hopium at best. Now as far as this insistence from our FO on overvaluing Adam Thielen goes it makes me concerned for their judgment overall and if I am being harshly blunt it just sounds like Scott Fitterer logic and says they have virtually no confidence in their ability to draft receivers.

Dropping 12 spots and only netting an extra mid 2nd that we'll probably draft yet another bust with.

Eye test wise Bryce looked like a different player by the end of last season. Even someone like myself that has been very skeptical will readily admit he looked very confident and made some very nice throws you would expect to see from a top pick. Statistically though you are correct there's been some coping going on and there were times that people were just clinging to whatever random statistical anomaly they could find from randos on Twitter. On the surface I get it. We need something anything to feel upbeat about. But if we want to win with Bryce not just short term but years from now we've got to increase YAC and that isn't going to happen with folks here awkwardly rejoicing over giving comically slow Adam Thielen a raise. But we don't have to draft a TE in the top ten to address this. We just need to be intelligent and stop trying to draft the same mold of WR over and over.

Yeah certainly it can be done in a way that's beneficial and I'm not saying we shouldn't consider it or that I don't believe in Morgan overall. But there are some concerns. I'm just of the opinion that trying to be clever and work the draft with trades should not be our highest priority. Changing our fortunes with our draft picks as a whole should be our priority. If that means just staying put that's fine. Just draft good to great football players don't reach for need and call it a draft because we really need a minimum solid class this year if we are to begin making some headway in getting ourselves out of the cellar.