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Well just remember this convo when there are fools going around here later this year rooting for McCaffrey and the Niners and you want to ridicule them for it. Bandwagon is bandwagon doesn't matter the excuse.

People are just reactionary it's always been that way and comes with the territory. But it's one thing to critique a player that has 16 starts worth of tape to analyze and a completely different matter to label a rookie WR a bust before he's even played one regular season game. That's just stupid.

Not gonna tell you how to live your life bro. But wearing the jersey of a different team that also happens to be a perennial playoff contender is some childish teenager bandwagon ish my guy.

Didn't you try to flex here about hiding out as a Ravens fan? Weak.

@CamWhoaaaCam are you wearing a Ravens jersey?

The question of the validity of the timeout aside. Really no excuse for Lamar not to get a touchdown there. Entering into overrated territory and I say that as someone who appreciates his game. This is a must win to make a statement if he is to ever truly compete for a championship. Even Joe Flacco went on a run to a Lombardi cmon.

Bad roster bad coaching. It's been one mess to another for this team. I don't think anyone will disagree with these things. But then you have Sam Darnold who had both CMC and Moore and still stunk. Coaching wise he wasn't getting any favors either having had Adam Gase and Matt Rhule to work with consecutively. That's pretty rough. Then he finally got the chance to work with someone who is amongst the best in the league like Kyle Shanahan and even he gave up. Sometimes you just have to admit that a guy is simply not good enough to be a starter regardless of circumstances. Unfortunately it isn't a one size fits all. Luckily we are only 4 days away from having some kind of answer to our quandary.

In terms of situationally when looking at the roster and coaching around them here yes they compare but when you look at everything else it doesn't jive. Baker always had adequate arm strength and a good deep ball going back to college. The prerequisite physical strengths necessary were never in doubt. But even with Baker he still has to shake the one year wonder label like he had with Cleveland. He has to take the next step this season too.

If the opposing defense has very little to no fear of the opposing QB threatening them deep that only makes it significantly more easy for the dline to beat up on the oline. There was one specific play last season where Mingo had gotten behind the entire defense deep only for the QB to miss him. You think things like that make it easier for the offensive line? Basically what we were seeing last season in regards to how defenses were playing us is like how it was with Cam when his arm was done. Except we didn't even have the threat of his legs either. What do you get from that? The 32nd ranked passing offense.

This beaten down conversation is now basically just different sides finding specific data that they think confirms their theory. For me this season it's all about the eye test. When I see a QB capable of commanding the offense and taking over a game while consistently establishing a deep ball connection I'll know we have something and I'll be ecstatic. If none of those things happen. Onto the next one.

Cutting Tremble over Ian Thomas would be a very Panthers kinda move.

Tepper Sports ladies and gentlemen...

The cap situation has been brewing for awhile now. Things weren't going to change overnight. But at the same time for the sake of your own sanity it was always best to approach this situation with the mindset that fair or not the onus is on Dan Morgan to prove he is markedly different from Scott Fitterer. And before anyone chimes in on some he inherited this talk. Well. He participated in everything that transpired. Heavily. We're just going to have to wait and see if the wins come along. They better.

Well we said similar things about Matt Rhule and we went from bad to historically bad on the very next move after him. I don't know what happened between them and I don't know the inner workings on the philosophies between them. But my gut says something big happened between when we hired Reich and the beginning of the season that spiraled. And this was after weeks of fluff about the "rock star" staff we had assembled. You don't spend all that time closely interviewing a guy and having him give you his framework of a plan for the team that you obviously had to have accepted and liked just to have him completely pull the rug out from under you without something having had happened to facilitate that catastrophic series of events. You also would think after firing Reich things would have gotten at least a little better but did they? We had the Packers game yes. But then that was followed up by one of the worst performances by an NFL team I've ever seen against the Jaguars missing their starting QB. That was seriously one of the ugliest Panthers games ever. Everyone involved should feel shame and frankly have to pay restitution to the Panthers fans that personally attended that nightmare. Where I'm at is I have a definite level of hope with Canales. But it all depends on the level of involvement from those above him allowing him to do his job without interference. I cannot emphasize that enough. We'll see what happens.

Nothing against either of them. But personally I don't get why Caldwell has lingered around this long. With as bad as things got last year I would have purged everyone on staff and started from scratch. Especially after the talk of too many voices in the mix. Well hopefully it works out. All I can do is watch it unfold.

For now let's not even speak it into existence. 200 is the floor after hiring Canales as far as I'm concerned.

Well that's encouraging.

Unfortunately we will never know this. No one can. But we will know what we have in Dave Canales and his staff rather quickly. The NFL did us a solid with our first game being in hostile territory against a bitter division rival. Showing up in New Orleans and making a statement will be an automatic immense improvement. That's what I hope to see.

For comparison sake. Not for the faint of heart.

You're really going to pretend the last 8 months of discussion here has been universal acceptance of the fact Bryce Young was arguably the worst passer in the NFL last season? How many edibles have you consumed tonight???? My goodness man. The Dolphins started 0-7. Moore was not a good QB. His completion % was 60.5. Since you're all about comparing him to current QB's. That would have put him in the bottom 6 of all active QB's last season. Sorry there goes your comp to elite QB's I guess. Oops. You should be on Tepper's payroll. Seriously. Do not work this tirelessly for free.

With all the talk of what defines quality starting QB play I got to thinking about mediocre QB's here over the years that looked at least decent at the time in limited action. Matt Moore came to mind. I had forgotten he played for the Chiefs and got himself a ring. The interesting thing though. In 2011 with the Dolphins when he played the most amount of games in a single season in his whole career (13). He threw for just shy of 2,500 yards on 347 attempts (lol). For comparison sake last season our starting QB threw for 2,877 yards on 527 attempts. That's 180 more attempts through 3 games just to surpass Matt Moore by less than 400 yards at a time when the league is setup to greatly benefit not just offense but passers in general. That's crazy. Take from that what you will. Dave Canales. Please save us.

Was that the approach under Fitterer or Rhule though? Their philosophy seemed to be one man's trash is another man's treasure basically. Bare in mind Dan Morgan was here through most of that. With Morgan now all that really matters is if he can draft very well. That's the only true way to build going forward.