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Turns out arm talent matters. Who knew?

A lot at stake for either team in this one. I'm curious to see how the Bears and Caleb Williams in particular respond to all the talk revolving around them recently. The Panthers fan in me wants them to flounder badly because fug them but even last year with that coaching staff they took us to the woodshed. We'll see.

The interesting thing I'm getting from this conversation and specifically from the people who are going out of their way to make excuses for him is they don't seem to notice the fact that their arguments and rationalizations basically insinuate everything has to go absolutely perfect in all phases at all times for Bryce Young to succeed in even basic football 101 scenarios. That isn't who we traded up for and that is not who we drafted first overall.

I'm with you brother. If we'll trade up into the second for an RB with a torn ACL we certainly have no issue with just tossing picks into the waste bin. Should have drafted a QB in the mid rounds. Inexcusable negligence from Dan Morgan.

Hey it's Josh McCown. One of many coaches who have fallen on their swords for Bryce Young. He's been the QB coach for the Vikings since 2024.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_yds_per_att_career.htm

Exactly. We hired an offensive minded head coach. Not an offense only head coach. If he is too timid to dictate what he wants to his entire staff coming off a season where his defense gave up historic points then he's already got one foot out the door.

Is it supposed to be better that this was during a key timeout considering this is the same game he threw a tantrum at the head coach and walked away to sit by himself?

If you want to discuss the pieces around them and the coaching that's one thing. The aspect that cannot be disputed is they are night and day in terms of physical attributes. When defenses play Bryce Young they have everything on tape. They do not respect his arm. Can we just exist within this realm of reality for a moment and acknowledge that? It is the opposite for Mayfield. Baker has always had a tendency to make boneheaded decisions although he seems to have improved that significantly. But defenses always had to account for his arm. It was the same for Sam Darnold. Sam could throw a laser. Sometimes it would be pinpoint accurate. And other times it would be a horrible decision into double or triple coverage. But again defenses had to account for his arm. With Bryce they can cheat coverages. We are seeing what should be routine throws turning into constant 50/50 balls. And throws to the sideline? Forget it. High and out of bounds and that has been the story throughout Bryce Young's career so far. His arm talent is miniscule. It just is what it is unfortunately. But we knew what we were getting. We cannot claim ignorance.

Team goes as the QB goes. It's no wonder we get dogwalked on a regular basis. That's the face of the franchise.

Also here's some convo on Baker Mayfield's arm strength well before the Panthers got to him. Trying to compare him to Bryce Young is peak cope. https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/nwzx16/baker_mayfield_has_one_of_the_strongest_arms_the/

Man this place is a riot. When he plays average people compare him to the greatest QB's. When he plays poorly or horribly people downplay it altogether. Comical. Bryce Young and Baker Mayfield are two very different QB's. Baker has always had the physical tools and a really good arm. Bryce Young is not that and never will be. He outright refused to throw at the combine for this very reason. But he certainly won't even begin to approach Baker in the arm strength department by still going out of his way to avoid lifting weights in his third year as one of the smallest QB's in the league. Stop coddling him already he isn’t a newborn baby.

The Saban/Alabama effect is why so many in the media still refuse to even vaguely criticize him. But someone like Cam Newton got the daggers 24/7

It's wild three years and many poor or awful starts later and a 6-25 record and there are still folks blaming everyone and everything around him and "rooting" for poor Bryce Young to overcome all these circumstances that aren't his fault. It could never be that he is part of the problem. Crazy.

Been saying this for months. Eternal optimists spammed poo reactions left and right. Now crickets.

Pushing? You're the head coach. Dictate what YOU want.

Even before Icky's new deal we are ahead of the Chiefs at #2 by $14 million. #3 we are ahead by $26 million. We are absolutely paying through the nose to protect our QB who goes out there and plays horrendously with poor body language.

#1 in OL spending for 2025. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/position/offensive-line/_/year/2025/table/active/sort/cap_total

If one goes they both go. Then clean house. Every scout. See ya

Replacing Evero goes without saying. But we victimized ourselves by forcing him to stay on orders directed by David Tepper.

Some folks are beyond help.

Yeah not adding up at all. And we have leaned heavily into the PFF analytics as an org now even going as far as hiring one with such background. Doesn't seem to amount to anything in the win column though that's for sure.

I have no idea but I'll trust my own two eyes. He's still playing like one of the worst QB's in recent memory.

Oh man. The people here who went to the extreme to rationalize it were many. Oddest thing I've seen.

I think we can go back to disregarding PFF. Don't we have one of these guys in our FO too? And we're still dogshit? Yeah....