frankw

I have to say it's quite fascinating seeing you pivot from months and months of wailing and agonizing about threads derailing into Bryce Young slingfests only for you to turn around and do the same thing. And just for the record. Nobody in life ever attained wisdom and clarity from mistakes by having people blindly fawn over them and tell them they are above reproach and incapable of making mistakes. Our front office is just as human as we are. And based on the fact that front offices across the league outside of a handful of teams change on a fairly regular basis it's safe to say they are certainly no more infallible than the average Joe even though they possess significantly more knowledge usually. If you want a utopia where all you do is shine shoes for anyone associated with the Panthers you go right on ahead and create yourself a new community sir. More power to you.

Doubling tripling and quadrupling down on this subject in defense of the pick is reminiscent of a certain mindset that has overtaken the political world. This conversation will become less contentious and dragged out to the point of becoming a dead beaten horse if rational minds can simply agree that we made a mistake missed on a potential franchise center and we will learn from it. All this coping is unnecessary.

*Shows up to rookie mini camp* BUST ALERT 🗣 Definitively premature.

With the additions we've made to our roster combined with the state of the division and the conference as a whole there is no excuse for this team not to make a legitimate push for 8-9 wins. Anything less is honestly inexcusable. There will be no more free passes for being a doormat in this iteration of the league where even mediocre teams are competing for playoff spots.

This is hilarious. Derek Carr isn't such a bad guy. Anyone who fugs over the Saints is alright in my book. We better push to win this division this year is all I can say. No excuses.

Nobody making millions is truly "hurting". But he's not talking about the highest paid players in the league making upwards of 100-200 million or more. He's talking about rookie second round picks who would be making what 5-10 million at absolute most and have no guarantee of not getting a career ending injury before the end of their rookie contract. I don't think anyone is asking you to shed tears for them because you shouldn't but the perception of siding with Billionaire owners of a league that brought in over $23 billion in revenue last year is going to raise an eyebrow or two just saying.

I think there's a degree of sour grapes at play here. At the same time regardless the FO really needs this young pass rush to step up. Just don't want to end up in a situation where things don't go according to plan and then the second guessing starts. Evero better bring the heat this year.

At some point it becomes elder abuse. But hey you only live once. Have fun Bill.

If that sounds far fetched it's because it is. He went down last season in a noncontact scenario. What other sign do you need? Unfortunately it was a high probability he was going to get hurt again regardless of where he was drafted. You don't trade up into the second round for already injured players. It has nothing to do with any perception of the Panthers fanbase or the fans perception of the pick. It's simply basic common sense from an organizational standpoint and this organization better learn from it going forward.

So is greed.

Things like this are only going to become an inevitability over time anyways. NIL has opened the door for it and honestly I don't blame these young players one bit. This money is a drop in the bucket compared to profits the league makes. No pity party for the owners here. The only thing I'd say in relation to the Panthers is going forward we better start drafting well because if you're going to get held over a barrel by a draft pick they better damn well not end up being a bust.

10k on one single game?

Just shy of $5 million guaranteed and may never have to play another down in the NFL. Not a bad gig if you can get it. Meanwhile the guy who went 5 picks later...

It's wild how from an organizational and culture standpoint the OKC Thunder are in another universe compared to our poverty franchise. And didn't we offload Gordon Hayward to them too? Hilarious.

Right but I'm not talking about other teams I'm talking about the Carolina Panthers who are heading into 8 consecutive years of losing seasons. We can argue about stats advanced metrics and expectations until we're blue in the face. Winning when the playoffs are on the line is a very key goal for any starting QB in the NFL. And not for nothing but let's keep it real here. We hung our hats on the Packers game in his rookie season after weeks of either poor or mediocre QB play. And now we're doing the same with his sophomore season albeit with a little larger sample size. But still picking and choosing what to judge just leads to an echo chamber on either side of the debate. We should all be able to meet at a consensus that competing passing the eye test and winning some games convincingly early in the season is realistically the goal for our #1 pick heading into year 3.

On one hand I would have liked to retain him because he still has value in a rotation and veteran expertise. On the other hand we've invested a very significant amount of resources in our new youth movement and we need to get them development. And at the end of the day despite Clowney being a local story as much as he is liked around these parts the reality is as an NFL talent he has bounced around the league a lot and there is a reason for that. Good luck to him.

Well that's the problem. That portion of games was when our playoff hopes were either teetering on the edge at best or we were eliminated altogether. We need to see Bryce Young perform like that when the pressure is on. That is what defines a franchise QB.

Obliterating one another over data that can be skewed one way or another to fit a narrative is a long dead beaten horse here on the huddle. It still boils down to the eye test and a larger sample size for me. If we get that over the course of the bulk of next season then we've got something and things are looking up.

The only way the Hornets are getting the first pick is if the NBA rigs it for us.

The track record for this is downright comical. At this point when Pickens inevitably flames out in Dallas the next time the Steelers put a WR on the trade block teams across the league just need to ignore them and wait for the team to release him.

Unfortunately when the rubber meets the road and the bullets are flying we won't be able to spam these cherry picked charts at the opposing defenses we'll be facing this season. They've got the game tape folks. They know the tendencies. It's up to Bryce to rise above.