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It sure as fug isn't 28th. And, all the advanced metrics show Hubbard & Dowdle were pretty special last year. Other than D-Will & J-Stew or prime CMC, by historical standards this is a solid duo. Go back and watch the film from last year. I guarantee you the goober who ranked us 28th didnt watch a single game last year. PFF ranked us much higher. Not that PFF is perfect, but there's an actual methodology there and not just some national "expert" who is rightfully going to be replaced with AI over the next few years. If we are not a top 10 rushing team, I will be disappointed. We were like 11th last year. On one hand I don't give a single poo what ESPN has to say (they will be irrelevant in 10 years too), but this is lazy nonsense.

I understand your point. If everyone is healthy, I think Horn is inactive, at least to start the season. My money is on Renfrow being WR5 and PR1 to start the season. I think Horn will have to wait until an injury to get legit playing time

To be clear, I dont see any scenario where we dont keep Jimmy Horn. And Im not knocking David Moores value to this team. I just think from a roster management perspective, keeping a younger guy over David Moore on the initial 53 if we keep 7 WRs (or someone else at a different position) makes much more sense

I dont see any scenario where we couldn't release David Moore and sign him back since he not subject to waivers. Why we should keep him on the initial 53 roster is beyond me. Keeping him on the initial 53 when we can protect other players seems pointless. If we are going to keep 7 WRs, I hope we keep Brycen Tremayne. And then maybe cut him after initial claims and sneak him onto PS. He's a big possession type receiver who just keeps making plays.

Everyone, including Cleveland media, said the Panthers won the joint practice and it wasnt close. That practice was starters vs starters, and we won. Does that mean nothing? This was a padded practice, 11 on 11. As close to game conditions as you're going to get in preseason, outside of the very limited reps you might get in a 1-on-1 situation. As far as the gamr, our 3rd string RG (playing bc both Hunt & Zavala are out) gave up a sack the 1st series. That was against mostly 2s for the Cleveland defense. However, the next series Bryce dotted them up all the way down the field. Shedeur threw a beautiful ball (on a short field) against our 2s. Nothing against the ones in the 2 series they were out there. Getting upset )or pumped for that matter) by what 3rd stringers are doing seems pointless to me. There will be a few of these guys that will be on rosters, but most will be gone in 3 weeks. Because of that, there's really not much to gather from a preseason game other then the very limited reps the 1 & 2s get. I am concerned about the playcalling/schem of Evero in general & the fact that Dalton suddenly looks like he's washed, bc it happened that fast with Derek Anderson. But in general, I genuinely am very happy about what I saw from the guys we will depend on this year. Our top rookies (T-Mac, Scourton, & Umanmielen) all looked good. Corey Thornton was a hell of a find. BY9 looked like did down the stretch last year. Bobby Brown was collapsing pockets- can't watch him play with Derrick Brown. They need to find a way for Jalen Coker to get on the field. I understand the generalized pessism given the last 7 years- I really do. And I dont blame anyone who wants to wait until we prove it on the field in the regular season, but I genuinely think this team is going to be much more like the offense to end last year, and I think the defense, especially the Dline, is significantly better. I think out starting 11 on defense is formidable, although defensive depth is still a major question mark. And I dont know where we will legitimately be able to upgrade in any significant way- have to hope for good health there. Anyway, I understand your take, I just don't agree with it. But I'll admit I've been wrong before. We'll see this season.

This 100%. If you miss your opponent gets the ball on their side of the field. Massive risk except for the scenarios you listed above. 70 yards is crazy as hell though. Hope he doesn't hit one like that against us in Week 1

Speaking in generalities. Glad to have football back and you guys to argue with!! Hopefully we dont suck this year. Of course I know deep down we could be, but I am genuinely optimistic about this season. All BS aside though, I understand why people are taking a wait-and-see attitude But I do think we've turned a corner, and i think Canales & Bryce can lead us to the playoffs. It's obvious a big year for Bryce. Plenty of good QBs didnt make the playoffs in Year 1 or 2 (bc they're usually going to bad teams), but this is the season he needs to establish himself bc very few QBs make it long term if they can't make the playoffs by Year 3. I think he can do it. A lot of people don't. We shall see

One thing I would say about special teams. I'm not defending the coverage units bc they were awful, but if you watch preseason highlights, there have been a lot of big ST plays. Every team is having to adjust to the new kickoff rules. I wouldn't worry too much yet, but it could definitely make or break our season. ST (and Canales) has referenced it multiple times, will be bigger this year bc there will be more chances to make plays on kickoffs etc than in years past. I did think Sam Martin did a great job hunting, and Matthew Wright put the ball where it needed to be. Just awful coverage

It may end up being an overpay, but I get why they did it. Our pass rush was so bad last year, and he was one of the top interior defenders with pass rush ability. I've heard hes had a good camp, but not great last night

The first drive got ruined by a practice squad player they wanted to give a shot at RG getting blown up. The 2nd drive was great. So we give the starters a B? I'm still struggling to understand what there was to be upset with the 1st team.

I'm very happy Canales has learned from last preseason and made the change. I hope Bryce and Andy both get multiple series against the Texans, and i hope they play all their defenders. Hopefully Dalton looks better next week. He reminded me of Derek Anderson last night. He went from being a top backup to looking old & washed up real quick.

My man, I wonder if your issues go beyond the field, b/c I'm doubtful your negativity is just about the product you saw last night, bc that objectively doesn't make any sense, at least to me. Are you really upset over 3rd stringers? Are you really not excited about T-Mac & Scourton? With Corey Thornton we looked to have found 3 UDFA gems in the last 2 seasons (Coker, Richardson, & now Thornton). Dan Morgan has done an admirable job in rebuilding a roster that Fitterer gutted. This team is in a much better spot than last IMHO, and in an much, much better spot than 2 years ago. Im excited about that. I've been in a great mood at day (granted my son kicked ass in his AAU tournament this morning also but still). I had a good time at the game last night (at least through the 3rd Quarter when I left), and I think we are going to surprise some people this year. I hope you can have a great day too! A little optimism isn't going to hurt you I promise. We aren't going to be bad forever. Im not sure how old you are, but Ive been around for all the magical seasons (1996, 2003, 2015). Another season like those will happen again, hopefully soon. That being said, you are entitled to your opinion, and i hope you have a great day!

Look, I love Cam and always will. Look at my avatar. But it's wild how many people continue to goalpost shift with Bryce. If you want him to fail, cool. Pick another team until he's gone. But I think it's going to be longer than you think. You're right that Bryce isn't Cam in any physical sense, and thats more than enough for some people to write him off no matter what. But he's a much better QB than some of you people think. For all the things Bryce can't do that Cam could, throwing with anticipation wasnt Cam's thing. He got away with being late early in his career bc of his rocket arm, and he developed into one of the best deep throwers in the league in his prime, but he has never had the touch or anticipation Bryce does. That end zone throw to T-Mac last night was anticipation on a level most QBs, even NFL ones, ever get to. The fact that some on this board are trying to dog that throw shows where the agenda truly lies

With the starters? What haven't I heard? Serious question Of course they wouldn't have been happy with the 3rd stringers. Some of those guys should go ahead and freshen up their resumes. But do I think they're losing sleep or panicking bc our fringe defensive guys looked like ass? No. Absolutely not. Nor should they

Anyone who understands actual QB play knows it was electric. It shouldn't be debatable among people who understand what's going on. We used to have a lot of people on this board who actually knew that... and I know I'm sounding like an old fart saying that, but it doesn't make it untrue We got a lot of just Bryce haters who really should jump off the bandwagon before he leads us to the playoffs. It's effing exhausting

Evidently that's the only thing that matters... it's hysterical I've been going to NFL games at BOA for 20+ years now. I've seen a lot of good football and bad football. I was at every game in 2015. And 2023. I seen the very best this team has had to offer offensively as well as the worst. That 2nd drive by our offense was effing elite. I dont know in what world that should be debatable. I genuinely don't know what some of these people actually even want from these games or what they're even seeing... its not the same reality I'm viewing

What did you see out of guys that are going to play any meaningful downs for this year that has you so concerned?? Serious question It seems like you are determined to project negativity Bc I saw a a lot of positives with the guys that will actually be playing on Sundays. Yeah, there was some bad from the guys that will be updating their resumes in a few weeks, but so what? Bryce looked like Bama Bryce. Both our top draft picks (T-Mac & Scourton) had splash plays. Looks like we found a gem in Corey Thornton. Jalen Coker is determined to show he wasnt a one-trick pony last year. Obviously, there are some concerns abkut defensive depth. How could there not be? Everything wasnt going to be perfect this year given the dumpster fire last year was. The Dline looks noticeably improved. Our 2 best defensive players didnt suit up. And most importantly, no one got hurt. Last night was a resounding success in my book. Looking forward to next week I feel like if we actually do well, a lot of you guys aren't going to know what to do with yourself... life is really effing short... I'm going to be optimistic until there's a reason not to be. I saw nothing last night to be upset about personally. This message board is weird sometimes, and the longer it goes the more i realize how negative a lot of this board is slanted relative to most fans. No one was upset leaving BOA last night. The coaches were happy. The analytics were good for a lot of guys that we are actually going to depend on. But, sure, the sky is falling

Do you have a grade for Corey Thornton? I didnt notice CSW really one way or another. I guess according to PFF he wasnt good against the run? I don't remember him giving up any passing plays

Very happy with what I saw from the 1st team overall and the rookies. T-Mac, Scourton, & Thornton all flashed. People getting upset at our defensive 3s & 4s sucking are strange. The vast majority of those players wont even be here in 3 weeks. Promising start- hoping for another good joint practice and game against Houston

WTF are you talking about?? That was an incredible throw. You dont know QB play if you think Bryce wasnt great on that 2nd drive. That sideline fade to T-Mac, and both the end zone throws were elite AF. I don't know what some of you guys are watching. I guarantee you the football people reviewing this film will be plenty happy with what they saw from Bryce. Good lord

I genuinely can't fathom some of the negativity in here. Starters had a really good showing against the Browns both in joint practice and in the game. Bryce was electric on that 2nd drive. Elite QB play on several of those throws. T-Mac was awesome. Just got to make that TD catch. Unworldly anticipation on that throw by Bryce. Coker is WR2. Nic Scourton will be starting by the end of the year- I'm calling in. Great debut. Thornton is legit. Great UDFA find. Defensive depth is still questionable but thay shouldn't be a surprise. No one got hurt. That really is probably the best thing. I see almost only positives from this game. Its preseason Week 1. Getting upset over dudes who won't be here in 3 weeks seems odd to me. Very excited for the season.

We played vanilla on both sides of the ball, got meaningful reps, and nobody got hurt. That alone made it a good night. Bryce looked like he did late last year. Once him and T-Mac get their timing down they will be unstoppable. Jalen Coker is going to be hard to keep off the field. Corey Thornton looks like another UDFA steal like Demani Richardson & Jalen Coker. He was balling out there tonight. James Mitchell is coming on strong. He will definitely make the team if Tremble is on PUP. Also will if we keep 4 TEs. Punter was good. Kicker was good. Coverage and returns were not. Defensive depth is still a massive question. Enjoyed the game despite the final score. I think this is the beginning of Panthers football that is no long a bottom feeder.

Winners: Bryce Young- Looked totally in command. That 2nd drive (especially the dime to T-Mac) was a work of art. Tetoria McMillan- Still working on some timing with Bryce, but he will be a cheat code in one-on-one coverage and in the red zone. Nic Scourton- 2 TFLs and 1 sack. Legit impact player. Jalen Coker- How do you keep him off the field? Might be the best receiver on the roster. Just a solid, solid player. Corey Thornton- Looks like another UDFA gem from Dan Morgan. To me at least, him & Coker were the most impressive skill position players out there tonight. Mike Jack better watch his back. Looks to have CB4 locked down. Sam Martin- Was honestly worried when we let Hekker go, but he was booming punts tonight. Must have had close to a 50 yard average. Matthew Wright- Didn't see him kick a FG, but he did good on kickoffs with the new rules Losers: Xavier Legette- Was provoked by the Browns player, but getting kicked out was dumb. He needs as many reps as possible and to prove he deserves a starting job over Coker Nick Scott- Please Panthers sign another S, please. He is cheeks at coverage, and got blocked into Trevor Etienne causing a fumble. Why is he still on this team? Andy Dalton- 1st time I can remember him looking old on the field. I've read he's been sharp in camp, but he wasnt good tonight. Shemar Bartholomew- Had some good and bad reps, but not enough good to feel confident. Still wouldn't hate bringing in another outside CB. Stephon Gilmore is still unsigned. Defensive Depth- Overall still needs work. Tonight proved that. I think the starters are better, maybe significantly, but depth surely isn't there. Overall, I'm pleased with the outing. Biggest thing is no injuries. Looking forward to how we looked against Houston

This 100%. Wouldn't you be pissed if your team gave up a 4th for Jonathan freaking Mingo and then had to watch your top WR in T-Mac come off thr board to the Panthers. This same dude probably has convinced himself Mingo will have a better season. Lunacy exists in every fan base.

In fairness to the Huddle, the Panthers pumped out more propaganda before the 2023 season than ever before. We really were gaslit into believing we were going to be competing for the playoffs with our All-star coaching staff and roster