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When did Cam carry this team the 1st two seasons? Some of y'all either have revisionist history or can't remember. Cause there was a constant drumbeat of Cam haters and doubters from Day 1. Half this freaking board wanted Cam gone before we went on that winning streak in 2013.

True statement. Just like the team, I hope this place can turn around. It used to be fun. Now it is an un-moderated hellscape with literal clowns running wild. Just like the organization, maybe we need a hard reset with a new message board, too. I don't know. I love ya Jeremy, but this has devolved a long, long way from where it started with carolinagrowl. This board has been bastardized by the social media mentality like everything else. 15 years ago people could have somewhat legitimate discourse. Now it's just nonsense and sh*t talking that rarely if ever serves a purpose. Or maybe I'm just getting older. But trying to have a reasonable conversation on here vs even 5 years ago is night & day. It's mostly a lost cause.

Yeah Eff off keyboard warrior. I was here long before you were. You can have this place. You are the perfect representation of this franchise right now. Clowns running the organization, clowns running the message board... Your 2023 Carolina Panthers!!

There's not even legitimate discourse here anymore. Jeremy has abandoned the place (I don't blame him). Moderators are useless or are actively part of the cesspool. Basically, a reflection of the franchise. This was such a good place for a long time, too. RIP Carolina Huddle

He's accomplished more in his life already than you probably ever will... Clown avatar is fitting... Has our fanbase always been full of awful people like this? godalmighty...

Fine. You win. Enjoy watching him thrive when he finally leaves for a competent franchise. Just like everyone else. Make fun of those of us actually taking up for the most competent part of our offense. This place has become as miserable as BOA on game day... I'm guessing you'll be happy when you've ran all the fans off just like Tepper...

True to a certain extent. Even Prime Cam couldn't fix this level of dysfunction. Cam had jabronis at WR a lot, and a lot of bad Olineman, but never, ever in conjunction was it ever this bad. This is honestly one of if not the worst situations a rookie QB has ever been put in. And we were told as a franchise that wasn't going to be the case. You think Bryce's family likes watching him get plastered every week? I guarantee you this is not how they thought this was going to go, either. No QB that has ever lived is turning this chicken sh*t into chicken salad. I don't even know how to reason with someone who can't comprehend that.

Did everyone here watch the game yesterday? Maybe I'm just old and need to stop watching but jesus christ where are some of these comments coming from? BY9 didn't forget how to play football. He made several crazy throws yesterday to guys with literally no separation and fit the ball in. When guys were actually open at the top of his drop, he hit them perfectly. I've watched Stroud, and there is absolutely nothing he is doing that Bryce couldn't or wouldn't given time. Maybe it's just the overall dysfunction of this franchise over the past 6 years, but I am astounded people are blaming Bryce. I've watched a lot of bad, bad QB play in Carolina. BY9 is not a bad QB. He is a good QB playing on one of the most dysfunctional and inane offenses in NFL history. He has to be perfect to even attempt to overcome the incredibly dumb penalties and awful personnel. Like a lot of PSL owners, I'm done after this season. Trading up for Bryce was 100% a mistake, but it would have been 100% a mistake trading up for any QB with this roster. Anyone saying otherwise is stupid or hasn't watched us play. CJ Stroud isn't elevating this roster. Prime Cam Newton isn't elevating this roster. Patrick effing Mahomes ain't cooking with these misfits. Sorry, but only a delusional person would think otherwise. Watching people crap on Bryce (after crapping on DJ & CMC & Cam) honestly just makes me want to see him go somewhere else and thrive like everyone else (as long as it's not in the NFC South). These players honestly deserve better, too. Reading dumb stuff like this just makes me want to stop watching the NFL period. We used to be a somewhat proud franchise. Now we're blaming a 22-year old rookie for not saving this franchise for the accumulation of 6 years of bad decisions. Poverty franchise from the top all the way down, unfortunately...

I try to avoid this place most days, and this thread is yet another reminder... This fanbase deserves the inevitable with all these comments... Yep, it's absolutely Bryce's fault, he's holding us back... I just can't... I've been to almost every Panthers home game over the past 18 years. Bryce is a good QB in an impossible situation. If I'm BY9's agent or parents, I am trying to get him as far away from this dysfunction as fast as possible. I watched every single Panthers home game in 2011. Rookie Cam had Smitty, Olsen, Shockey, D-Will, & J-Stew along with an offensive line that still had Jordan Gross and Ryan Kalil. And people still thought Cam didn't "elevate" that team enough. Do you honestly think rookie Cam is doing any better with this cast? More rushing yards maybe, but definitely no more productive in the air. Absolutely no QB ever is producing with immediate interior pressure almost every snap. What happened to Mahomes in the Bucs SB? Same thing. Most franchises would sit a rookie in this situation to protect him from an impossible situation, but we gave up too much and misjudged our situation too much to go back now. This is unequivocally the worst offensive line in franchise history. One on the worst interiors in league history in terms of pressure %. And yet the reality-free commentary flows... I guarantee you no one on this board wants BY9 gone more than those people who actually care about him. This situation is honestly even worse than Urban Meyer & Trevor Lawrence in Jacksonville. Nick Saban, Bill O'Brien, and a litany of former coaches & players know how good BY9 is. But this fanbase seems hellbent on running Bryce off just like everyone else. When Belichick or someone else snaps up BY9 after we foolishly let him go and he turns into Brees 2.0 with a competent franchise, I hope our fanbase is content. B/c just like CMC, DJ Moore, and Baker Mayfield, I would bet every dollar I own the problem is not the players but this franchise. It's all just depressing & humiliating. And I understand the desire to blame someone. And you can blame whoever you want, whether it's reality-based or not. But as someone who has been around since the carolinagrowl days and has seen almost every snap in this franchises' history, the poverty-mindset of blaming Bryce (just like we did DJ & CMC & Cam before him) keeps the attention off of where it really lies, with David Tepper. I know it's hard when we've been down this long, but please let's make some reality-based arguments and blame the people actually responsible for this mess.

Appreciate the advice and reassurance. And I hope some dumb Cowboys fan gives me his mortgage payment. It's just so depressing to be in this same situation year after year

Where do you normally sell them? Just post them on Ticketmaster for resale?

You're probably right. Just a tough mental threshold to cross. I hate the idea of selling to the other team's fans, but at this point, I probably am better off just looking at this purely as a financial transaction and try to get the most I can. It's hard not to feel like as fans that Tepper has just drained us while putting the worst product in the NFL on the field.

Which part? I know the product on the field has been... My boys have seen 6 wins at home out of 23 games they've been to. That's barely 1 out of 4... I love the Panthers and always will, but I'm done making excuses for this organization. I've done my part as a fan and PSL owner for years. This franchise has let us all down.

I have 4 tickets each for the Dallas & Green Bay games. Willing to sell to Panthers fans at face value. These are good seats, just have plans (and I wasn't going to overrule my wife when we suck this bad). Mods can move this if need-be if this isn't the right forum. Wanted to offer here to Panthers fans first before I just sell on the secondary market for the most money. I've never sold out in 18 years to opposing fans but screw this organization for not putting a better product on the field for 6 straight years. Section 540, Row 19 Seats 9-12. Please DM me if interested.

I think $17-18M is probably more realistic, and that number is going up if Frankie keeps playing at the level he is.

Perfect comparison. And Beason was a pro-Bowler so that's not faint praise. Nobody else will ever be Luke, but we finally have another Pro-Bowl caliber LB. If we could ever have the luck as a franchise on WR's or CB's we've had on LB's it would great.

Good analysis. Bryce is going to get stronger. He's only what 21 or 22? Remember CMC getting drug down by arm tackles during his rookie season? Everyone said Kamara was better and CMC wouldn't be able to run in between the tackles at the NFL level. CMC bulked up and nobody remembers saying that now. Bryce's height isn't an issue. We've seen that at Bama and now the NFL. Bryce had 3 batted balls on Sunday, Bryce none. In some respects, Bryce is probably more cognizant of throwing lanes than most QB's b/c of his height. Regardless, he's on pace to have less batted balls as a rookie than Cam did. As long as he continues to add muscle as he matures and tries to avoid big hits, there's nothing else he can do. And if you look at the statistics, "smaller" QB's don't get hurt anymore frequently than big QB's. Look at Anthony Richardson this year. Sh*t happens, and anyone can get injured. Bryce has already proved he can take big hits and still keep his composure.

I'm glad it's gaining traction. We got to get this fanbase back. Everybody remembers the joy of screaming "Luke" when #59 made a play. We finally got another dawg at LB we can get behind like that.

Insane part was we had the right 3 headed attack last year. Sanders was an all-time FA bust. Hubbard is great but we just need a short yardage back. Just a bad, bad decision in retrospect not to resign Foreman. Finally, you have to credit Hubbard so much. Evidently him and Tremble stayed everyday after practice working on the JUGS machines and it's paying off. Hubbard saw early on with CMC what the standard was for a RB1 in the NFL. And he was worked his ass off to get to that point. Nothing but respect.

The more I think about it, the more I can definitely say that is the greatest LB performance I've seen in person since Luke in the 2015 NFC Championship game. I don't know if everyone can truly appreciate what a special player you have to be to line up and beat an offensive lineman that has 60+ pounds on you for a sack on one play and still be able to effectively play coverage against a NFL caliber player on the next. I know we have been spoiled as a franchise by incredible LB play, but Frankie's performance on Sunday deserves recognition on its own. Luvu wasn't 100%, our defense was decimated, and he still came out and did everything he could on defense to help get the win. Definition of a champion!!

I was at the game. I'm not sure if television did justice to just how damn good a performance Frankie had. It's been years since we've seen a Panthers LB have a performance like that. He was everywhere. 12 Tackles (2 for Loss), 1 Sack, and 2 Passes Defended. He literally did it all. And got to do it as a professional in front of his mom for the 1st time. What a game to have with your mom there!! And finally, with what happened with Reddick, I will lead the riot on Mint St. if we don't resign Luvu.

During the "Moose" chants during the game Sunday for the Hall of Honor Ceremony, it got me thinking about Luvu. We had the "Moose" chant for Muhammed, the "Hoov" chant for Brad Hoover, "Luke" needs no explanation. I think Frankie has gotten to that level. Did my best in Section 540 to start the "Uce" chant every time he makes a play. Going to try to keep spreading it this weekend too. Would be awesome if we could start that as a fanbase. Anyway, I'll be screaming it with my boys every time #49 makes a play on Sunday. Hopefully, we'll hear some more people joining in.

IMHO we have McCown to feel the veteran role. We are in a good situation to recoup some much-needed draft capital with Dalton. I think it would be foolish not to pursue. If Bryce goes down, is it really going to matter for this season who the QB is? I'd rather have the draft capital b/c Bryce is the long-term guy and we're not making a run this year.

Bryce is our guy. If we can get a 5th for Andy, I think it should be a no-brainer. Better situation for Dalton, too.

Got to be something. It's absolutely atrocious. Bryce overcoming a non-existent run game, several inexcusable drops, and getting absolutely crushed quite a few times and still hung in there and threw some of the best passes we've seen from a Panthers QB in 6+ years.