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Damn... wouldn't have minded having Clowney as part of the rotation for the young guys to pick up being a pro from. They must be really excited about Nic and Princely.

You also think that lead paint chips should be called wall candy. So, respectfully, that's not moving the needle here. There needs to be a little more than, "I don't like it" to dismiss the entire methodology.

You're now willfully misrepresenting what is classified as a BTT which has since been cleared up. It is not the oversimplification you are attempting for. I understand I put down a lot of info earlier, but it is more valid than one's own desire to not relent.

So... about that...

I was just wondering about this yesterday because by my count (including unsigned draft picks + UDFAs) we were at 95 players.

re: PFF having Bryce Young as the best deep passer in week 12 Link to original article Excerpt from the article: PFF's passing-by-depth report for week 12 NFL Pro's Film Room Play 1 - Completion to XL running a deep crosser despite multiple penalties by KC on the play Film Room Playlist NFL Pro.mp4 Play 2 - Completion to JT with the pass rush closing in Film Room Playlist NFL Pro-01.mp4 Play 3 - Hits David Moore in the hands while taking a shot from new Panthers' DL Ter'shawn Wharton for what would've been a TD Film Room Playlist NFL Pro-02.mp4 Play 4 - This is the first play that folks could attempt to pin on Bryce if not for one detail... this was 3rd & 10 with 9sec left in Q2 (as seen in the screenshot showing the list of plays). Bryce had to air mail it out of the back of the end zone so that there was still time to attempt a field goal before halftime. Film Room Playlist NFL Pro-03.mp4 Play 5 - Bryce places this ball where only David Moore can get it (spoiler: Moore does not get it). I've included the other angle as I was confident that some would try to hyperfocus on this play as why PFF was wrong in their evaluation. It's worth noting though that this wasn't a drop Film Room Playlist NFL Pro-04.mp4 Film Room Playlist NFL Pro-05.mp4 Play 6 - Sideline shot to XL but he drops it. Again, both angles included to avoid bad faith misrepresentation. Film Room Playlist NFL Pro-06.mp4 Film Room Playlist NFL Pro-07.mp4

If progress is being acknowledged then there must be data that supports said progress. However, when those stats are cited, they're dismissed as "cherry picked" or "too subjective." That contradiction is doing a loooot of heavy lifting. Nobody is claiming that Bryce is a top-five QB in the NFL. The argument is that post-benching, he showed real growth and some of that performance was in the top-10 range of various measures. Instead of engaging with that nuance, there's shifting of the goalposts and selective skepticism. The tape is being rejected. The stats are being rejected. Even when the methodology is explained, it's still rejected unless it paints BY9 in a negative light. Nobody seemed bothered by the Turnover-Worthy Play % stat, yet Big-Time Throw % is sending folks into a spiral. Funny how the only "arbitrary" stat under fire is the one suggesting Bryce might actually be improving.

It is shocking to me how folks can't find a simple definition but think that they can define what is acceptable:

If there's a list of what is considered acceptable data, I would love to see it... because right now it feels like the only stats that are being called "cherry picked" are the ones that support Bryce's progress. If the tape isn't acceptable and the stats aren't acceptable (unless they denigrate BY9, of course), can somebody let us know what is acceptable aside from the performative cynicism being offered?

Great watch, thanks for the link. I've got their Baker vid queued up next. Odd that folks seemed to have an issue with understanding BTT% but not TWP%... almost like the issue isn't so much the data but what it does to their narrative

I love what they've done to start the first two offseasons... One more like this (and results on the field to match) and ooh wee mayne

Makes me wonder if her expertise in human trafficking is what landed her a position wi-... you know what, I'll be good.

I guess DK was just so that they could get rid of Pickens then... Wild.

Super excited for him getting another shot, especially while dealing with such a tough condition as UC. Good friends of our's went to HS with and have nothing but good things to say about him. Plus, he went to Clemson so that's another feather in the cap.

Please clarify if you're trying to have a good faith conversation and I’m happy to respond to your questions — though they have already been answered by others.

This is going to be one of the more competitive camps we've had at WR in awhile... The only locks are XL, TMac, and AT. Coker and Horn Jr both have strong chances at making it. I can see David Moore being WR6. Renfrow might be the WR7 if they decide to carry that many, or he could join Dan Chisena on the PS (who gets stashed to help on ST more than at WR).

If you're trying to have a good faith convo, please clarify. I can't tell if you're being a dismissive douche or really want to discuss Panthers football. I will gladly answer those questions if the latter.

I'm so jacked for this WR room. Can't wait to see XL take the next step!!

@ForJimmy It's for the season. Bryce's BTT% was 6.6%, TWP% was 2.5%. BTT% - TWP% = 4.1% Take away those first two games and it jumps to 4.8% which would be #1...

Are you trying to have a good faith conversation or are you just being dismissive? More than willing to explore further if the former, but from your quip at the end there it seems like the latter. I don't think that you'd just dismiss something because it doesn't support your argument, but just in case lmk pls kthx

Got to pick up little dude from school in a minute, but once I get back if I have time I'll see if I can figure out which via the data points. I was leaning towards post-benching but I figured that'd be called out somewhere if so.

Wasn't specified by the OP. Got the original tweet screen capped in the link above for what they had posted. I thought that the one other time I posted it explained it clearly and that the labels would help fill in any blanks (outside of exacts regarding the scope of the sample, of course). What part is giving you trouble?

Speaking of based on facts and stats... BEHOLD MOAR CHARTS And for those that understandably don't Twitter/social media:

Really excited for him to build on last season. He looked like he could help some in the passing game, but I'd like to see his blocking level up. There was a few times last season where he looked like he was thinking while executing the play. Can't wait to see him playing faster after a year in the system.