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Oh I for sure did in that thread. Look at the date though: that was right after beating the Falcons 30-0. What do you think was happening in a bunch of other threads? Do you think that the haters were in other threads giving Bryce his flowers or were they doing their best to try and say it was because Penix sucks? You got me doing that in one thread. Now how many threads has frankw done that in? If it's really equal then it shouldn't be more than one or two, correct?

Oh I for sure went into a thread where folks were talking poo about Bryce after a win to troll them about CJ the same way they try to troll about Bryce after every game. It's not like I hadn't made good faith attempts to engage previously. Let's call a spade a spade here: Bryce haters are convinced that there is nothing he can do to ever be an NFL QB because he's too small. Bryce "stans" see that the kid can play despite his physical limitations and that the team around him is still being put together. Only one of these groups is pretending that they know the future. If the best effort I'm going to get from folks is trolling then... well... that's all they're going to get. Sucks, because I'd love to have an actual conversation, but that requires the other side to want to have a conversation as well. I could take some accountability I suppose... but I'll follow the lead of others and say that it's because the team isn't good and not because of conscious choices I'm making.

"If only Bryce were <height>", he'd <insert stupid thing here>" was the bit and in direct response to multiple posters ridiculously blaming Bryce (and only Bryce) for the punt returns vs. New England. :3 I understand that folks desire balance, hence the "Bryce stans vs. Bryce haters" narrative but it's abundantly clear that the only people going into threads just to talk about Bryce are the haters. Meanwhile, daring to disagree that Bryce was completely at fault for something that happened on special teams gets the "stan" label. Shoot, I'm sure folks lump me in as a Bryce stan (Brycen stan? Absolutely. Bryce stan? Nah) just because I have the audacity to look at what the rest of the team is and isn't doing.

iirc didn't he admit that the Panthers won the vote but he was giving it to the Chargers anyways? He was never the same afterwards

He graded out better last year as well. With BC doing well as a starter in Hunt's place, if DLew has durability issues as the season goes on I can see the team looking to move on from his contract to retain BC. Hunt's out isn't until after next season, but after this season cutting DLew would save ~$9M iirc. Personally, I'd love to keep all three while they're still operating under Bryce's rookie deal.

Pointing out that Bryce has had 8 GWDs and he wasn't the reason that the team had to comeback (sans vs. MIA) triggered... this? Ooh wee mayne.

To be fair, while not having Jaycee follow their best receiver seems foolish he does essentially eliminate 1/3 of the field which does make things easier for the defense as well.

<insert obligatory whining about PFF here>

The world owes you many thanks for how much that entire uniform contest broke Dave Dameshek.

He reviews the games every week on his podcast with Nate Collins. Lemme know which banking app you want to to send me that dollar on.

Maaaaaan... Jimmy's got a different type of speed that the offense has needed for a few seasons now. The sooner he can win the trust of the coaches, the better.

When I saw folks last week saying that they were afraid they would die before the Panthers made it to the Super Bowl again and it's all Bryce's fault, I knew that some of them had entered territory where therapy is their only hope.

Sucks for Wilson. Good for the Panthers tho!

CRA... Are you really claiming that it is blasphemous to point out that Bryce has half as many GWDs as previous Panthers' QBs (a simple fact that doesn't detract from Cam nor Jake)? Who are we allowed to compare his stats to then? Keith Null? Does this also mean that you and others will stop trying to compare Cam, Aiden O'Connell, and other QBs to Bryce? That's beyond ridiculous, but seeing as you're still saying we're behind in every game because of Bryce after just establishing that the only GWD where Bryce was at fault for putting the team behind (MIA) I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. Disappointed, sure, but not surprised.

Gotta let Nic + Princely develop. They're both showing promise. Maybe take a high upside guy in the draft if they present the best value to get a young three-man rotation going.

I wouldn't be mad at Corbett starting at RG, but please let Mays continue to play center. Chuba, Turk, Coker, and JT0 would be a nice boost to say the least.

FEED TREMAYNE I can't wait to see the team march out TMac, XL, Coker, and Tremayne only to run the ball for 20+ yards on the play.

I can't see McDaniel returning as the HC next season. Seems to be falling apart down there. If the Falcons fall apart I could see Morris getting the axe.

You don't have to go through every game and point it out as we are discussing his GWDs. You specifically called out that he had GWDs because he is the reason the team is always playing from behind. We looked at those eight games and only Miami stands out as one where he put the team in a hole to begin with. You've added the Atlanta game where the team didn't score a TD but only kicked field goals. You're not trying to change what we're discussing to fit your feelings re: Bryce. That's not necessary. We are discussing GWDs per the thread topic. We have also shown that your opinion that the team has had to always come back due to Bryce was proven to be false as was the claim that "minus one game" was his fault. Appealing to emotion afterwards by trying to broadly paint the rest of the losses in the same way just doesn't work. Where in the Hell did you get that the entire point is the suggestion that BY is more clutch than Jake and/or Cam? It's giving something to be positive about in that Bryce has shown the ability to comeback and win games despite the calamity that might have taken place to put them behind to begin with. How is that blasphemy?

At the moment? Absolutely not. Maybe if they drop the next three in a row and go into the deadline at 3-6 I can see an argument to be made to move Rico as he's on a 1yr deal. I'd rather keep Chuba's contract though and roll with ETN + JB next season. The team will have plenty of time to see how JB is looking going into the offseason a year-plus after his surgery to know whether or not they need to plan for another direction.

I forgot to mention my thoughts on the rushing grade! He ran his ass off both weeks. I can't remember the stat offhand but didn't he have something crazy like 120+ yards after contact vs. Dallas? Against Miami he had lanes as wide as the entirety of I-95 to run through which is why his rushing grade wasn't as high as this week's. He's ran like a man possessed and going to earn himself some money in the offseason.

His route running was not very good in this game, especially when compared to the previous week. There were at least three playactions ran where I couldn't tell if he was going to be pass blocking or running a route with how little effort he ran with. They also dinged him for the fumble on the play where XL lateraled to him. 29.8 fumble grade, 6.1 pass block grade, and 40.0 receiving grade really hurt his overall score. Personally, I'd have put him in the mid-to-high 70s on the day. I don't think his receiving grade should've been 40.0 but can see an argument for in the 50s. Maybe his pass blocking grade could've also been in the teens since he did win on the final rep handily. Just re-watched the receiving TD for Rico and it was a hideous route. DaRon Bland left his zone to cover over top of TMac though which left the area wide open for Rico to get to. Very surprised that they gave Bland a 66.5 coverage grade as I recall him getting picked on a couple of times (and giving up the 4th down throw to Renfrow by giving an incredibly soft cushion).

Rico's four snaps in pass pro: Q1 04:48 | 1st & 10 | CAR 20 Bryce's 8yd scramble early in the game was because S Donovan Wilson steamrolled Rico in the backfield on a blitz, flushing Bryce out of the pocket. Could have hit XL in the corner for a big gain otherwise. Q3 07:35 | 1st & 10 | CAR 33 Marist Liufau blows right passed Rico and chases Bryce down for a sack that results in -5yds on the play. Q4 12:24 | 1st & 2 | DAL 2 Completely whiffs trying to go low on Sam Williams who effortlessly gets around him and swats at Bryce. Bryce fortunately was able to shrug off and step up here to deliver the ball for TMac's second TD. Q4 02:36 | 3rd & 4 | DAL 40 Rico picks up Shemar James attacking the A-gap and stands him up. This was the one rep that he won. Was also the play where the Cowboys got away with holding TMac. So three bad and one good rep that came against a rookie 5th-rounder. The 6.1 pass block score makes sense to me after reviewing the tape.

So just the Atlanta game with the 9-6 score and the recent one vs Miami are Bryce's fault that the team was behind? In a game where JD DiRenzo and Nash Jensen took nearly 40 snaps combined at RG? With DJ Chark, Jonathan Mingo, Ihmir Smith-Marsette, and Stephen Sullivan as his weapons and still going 18/24 (75%)? Where the OL couldn't win with Chuba on 4th & 1 and gave up three sacks? That one is completely on Bryce putting the team in a hole to start?