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I have a feeling that this thread is going to go in the same direction as PFF threads.

A few different ways this can be taken depending on how you view things: Negative: This coaching staff is so inept that players are having to practically beg them to put them in situations that we as fans have been screaming for. How could David Tepper and Bryce Young do this to us? Positive: The coaches are listening to the players who are trusting the coaches! Neutral: Collaboration can lead to good things, so hopefully this starts the upward trend we've been waiting for.

I've been trying to tell y'all since preseason that Brycen Tremayne is the missing piece. XL, TMac, Coker, and Tremayne all dumpstering DBs when the team runs out of 10 personnel will be hilarious.

Oh, I'm not 100% expecting/demanding anything for next season. All that I want to see out of this season is progress, but I also understand that progress is not linear. I also understand that we've got a young team and coaching staff that are both developing. Expecting a winning record isn't reasonable at all, but I'll cheer for one all the same. I think that this is where some of the more angsty fans keep themselves in a perpetual cycle of misery: high expectations leads to low resiliency. Folks can have high standards, and the Panthers + Bryce have not met those standards, but some of those standards are completely realistic (like Bryce has to be built like Cam in order to be successful).

You are correct that context matters. Let's look at the timing of those six (I accidentally counted one of Etienne's previously) runs of 10+ 11-yd run | Q2 10:43 (0 - 17) 14-yd run | Q2 9:49 (0 - 17) 25-yd run | Q2 1:47 (7 - 17) 53-yd run | Q3 14:53 (13 - 17) 43-yd run | Q4 9:09 (20 - 17) 16-yd run | Q4 4:31 (27 - 24) Q1 the offense basically walked onto the field and then immediately off thanks to Bryce's turnovers, but that's the only quarter that Dowdle didn't rip off a 10+ yard run. I think that's also where folks are basing most of their frustration... because Q1 was straight cheeks. By the half though, it was 10 - 17 with the Panthers set to get the ball to start the half. That's not a situation to get desperate and start flinging it everywhere. Though not exactly related to the topic, I do have to give Evero credit where credit is due. There were halftime adjustments made that resulted in the Dolphins not being able to mindlessly abuse the defense over the middle. That's not even mentioning how they completely stuffed the Miami run game in the second half as well.

Trigger warning: Bryce Young and David Moore

The most targets any player that wasn't TMac got was 3 (XL, Dowdle). I don't think it's reasonable to demand that he have gotten an additional 4 - 6 targets during a game where an RB went for over 200yds rushing, especially when seven of those 23 carries were for 10+. One of those carries went for over 50+, another 40+, and another 20+. Canales' play calling wasn't the best, but it is developing as well. That's more than fair to criticize, but there's much better options to choose from than not feeding TMac in a game that resulted in a dub (with 200+ yards gained on the ground). I think that rather than half the fanbase sticking their heads in the ground to avoid issues that there are some fans with their heads up their ass because all they seem to see is poo.

Rico had six runs that averaged for 27yds and that means the team is supposed to feed TMac?

If only Bryce were 8'1" then CJ wouldn't have needed Woody Marks to carry him against the Titans nor the defense to carry him with 3 picks vs. Cooper Rush. If he were a real QB, he'd have thrown for over 250yds and the Texans wouldn't be 2-3. /s See? I can do the same dumb, lame poo that y'all do. Doesn't this make the board a better experience overall?

Eric Collins needs to commentate everything.

Was also nice to see the team step up and win without Brycen Tremayne carrying them.

Mike Jackson had some struggles yesterday for sure, but it was awesome seeing Nic Scourton and Derrick Brown get after it.

Obligatory reminder that the scientist, Dr. David Mech, that coined the term "alpha male" in 1968 later recanted it in 1999 after his later field research revealed that wild wolves' behavior did not align with the captured wolves' that had previously been observed. He called for abandoning the term only for dudes that pay to private message egirls on OnlyFans to claim it for themselves.

Eh... Bryce isn't elevating the team as we're hoping he would, but the team isn't exactly elevating themselves either. If the decision has been made that it's time to move on from him, I personally think that the team would get the most value out of letting him play out his rookie deal, continue to build the team, and then clean house. The worst thing the team could do is spend another first round pick on a QB only for their coach to get fired soon after imo. But we're also just barely a fourth of the way through the season. Still plenty of time for things to happen. Hell, at this point, the Panthers have a better record than the Ravens.

Those warnings don't seem to be doing much considering the aforementioned usual suspects at it yet again. Might be worth deleting the posts so that it doesn't invite more snark.

Entertaining myself. It's odd that with everything going on in the thread, that was the post that seemed to catch your attention.

Damn. Team gets a dub and the usual suspects are still upset. That's craaazy. But hey, they're good fans because they're here every day to show everyone else how much they don't know ball.

Did this GWD not count also? Asking for a friend.

You understand the potential for greatness.

I'm not looking forward to watching the second half again... felt like McDaniels was trolling while watching it live. He had the LBs in a blender after getting time to make adjustments after the half. I imagine that there's probably some damning footage of DJJ vs. the run (the one thing he could do) that when combined with his special teams flubs made it impossible to keep him with Thomas Incoom right there consistently stepping up. Surprisingly, instead of overloading Zavala's side with blitzes, the Pats seemed content to just let him keep losing 1-on-1s during the first half. Gonzo is also a really, really good CB1 for them.

Hoo boy, them hit dogs are hating!

Got 12 plays in Q1 + 14 plays in Q2 noted and briefly reviewed. Didn't think that getting down into the play design mattered to most since there's a focus on "Who's fault is it?" rather than "What was their assignment?" Special teams was really, really bad but two of the worst offenders (DJ Johnson and Dalevon Campbell) are no longer on the roster. Akayleb Evans and Maema Njongmeta also did not look very good, but Campbell + Johnson were the worst offenders. I haven't gone back to confirm, but I believe that Campbell was playing the spot that Tremayne and David Moore typically play but with XL out they probably wanted to keep the other two available (wise since the game ended with just three active receivers still able to play). If only Bryce were 7'6", maybe then special teams would have been able to maintain their lanes.

I was considering just sharing the notes because there's a lot of bad and I wanted to be considerate of folks like @Basbear that might be browsing on a device that doesn't play nice with a bunch of videos. Then if there was any further discussion on particular plays, I could capture and upload those. Dude it's so much... the team was so bad on Sunday. There's even a few bad Bryce plays in there for those with hate boners for him.