CamTheMan

I'm pretty high on Jaren Hall. He has some raw talent and his intangibles seem to be off the charts. Main concern seems to be age and injury history. Clayton Tune is the one I think could be a real stud though. He's big, not too old (23 now, 24 by draft), mobile, and is damn good at football. Smaller college, not great competition. I think once you get past that and just look at his talent and production alone, he's a baller. I'm not saying he should be a first rounder, but some of his film flashes that kind of talent. SMU game is crazy good film imo. Clayton Tune - Houston QB #3 vs SMU (2022)

He works with Brandon White. General tip for those who may not be aware and are really into the draft, check some of the top personal trainers (GoldFeet, Brandon White, routegod) around the league. Scouting becomes a whole lot easier once you identify some of the important circles. Those guys churn out the best of the best throughout the entire draft. You can easily find some 4-7th rounders who turn into legitimate stars just by seeing who works with who. As they say, you are who you surround yourself with. (Clayton Tune is a dog too btw)

Pick up a real anchor up the middle in free agency and draft Calijah Kancey (check his film holy balls) in the 2nd. Run downs OLBs: Burns, YGM DEs: Kancey, Derrick Brown NT: Free Agent Mixed downs OLBs: Burns, Haynes DEs: Kancey, Ioannidis NT: Brown NASCAR DEs: Burns, Barno DTs: Kancey, Ioannidis If a quarterback doesn’t fall to us and we can’t trade back, I’d fugg around and take another edge or corner at #9. I know we need a qb, but at this point I’d be down to build a perennial top 3 defense, match it with a great OL/run game, then just chuck Corral in and see if he sucks or not. If he does suck, go all in next year and put the rookie qb in an insanely good position to succeed.

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I keep seeing people on social media saying that Wilks won't last long until getting hired someone, I think everyone is going to be surprised. He was the definition of a mediocre defensive coordinator and while he is amazing at inspiring a team, I just don't think that he has the connections or skills to make him a legit HC candidate. One of the green flags about Reich is the fact that a ton of elite teams were ready to take him as their OC if we didn't hire him. He's super well respected around the league. I get the argument for wanting a younger HC instead of a 60-year-old, but I'm just happy to have someone we know is a capable coach and has earned a lot of respect around the league.

imagine the fear in the heart of defenses around the league when alpha male sam darnold and alpha male frank reich step onto the field with their glorious alpha male beards

Feel bad for Wilks but I do think this is an upgrade. How the locker room reacts and who he gets at DC will determine his success. If they buy in and we can get Fangio, our ceiling is way higher than it would have been with Wilks. If they don't buy in and we hire a bad DC, floor is considerably lower than it would have been with Wilks. Kinda weird we didn't even give Ryans an interview, would have loved to pair Reich (at OC) with a young, relatable, and intelligent defensive mind who could maximize all the young guys on defense. Oh well.

Or... and hear me out on this... people have a different opinion than you. O_O Scary, I know. Please don't bring the whole "different opinion = racist" thing into conversation against people you don't know. It shuts down the entire dialogue and only continues to further divide. If you disagree with someone, say what you disagree with and try and help them understand it from your perspective. People are more willing to listen than you might imagine.

The NFL sucks balls god damn. 2011-2018: The only team with a minority head coach and minority quarterback 2018: Owner says a no-no word and gets the entire team taken from him 2019: New guy guts the team and replaces the coach and quarterback with white people with no personality 2019-2022: Team eats poo, new minority head coach as interim 2023: Has a woman as a leading decision maker in the hiring process, but can’t make a hire until we interview enough black people (interim coach doesn’t count cause, yknow, that’d be racist?) … Some asshole getting paid a 6-digit salary with the job title “league inclusion officer”: woah woah woah, you didn’t complete your inclusive hiring training bro? u some kinda racist? you have to interview the coaches the way WE tell you to or ELSE!!! At a certain point this has to get demeaning to minorities but this probably isn’t the best place for that discussion heh

Yeah, that 60-64th overall pick is really gonna come in handy! We traded a hall of fame talent for a bunch of mid rounders because we didn't know how to properly utilize him, I'd hardly call that a win-win. They're on their 3rd string quarterback and haven't lost a step on offense because of him. It's like trying to pretend you’re okay with hearing your wife get fugged every night because at least she let you hang a poster in the basement and her new boyfriend brings you a happy meal sometimes. You weren't able to please her in the bedroom for years and you've slowly been growing apart and then she suggested you open the relationship. You wanted to disagree but you don't make enough income and you work too long hours as it is, so you can't really afford to lose the house to her in a divorce and all the lawyer fees, etc. You just sheepishly accept it and every night you have to listen to another man pleasing her while you drink and play Xbox 360 (you couldn't afford any newer consoles) in the basement, turning the volume up to try and drain out the noise. But it doesn't work. It NEVER works. That is this fanbase. Our wife is getting fugged right now. They're going to win a superbowl with him while we sit at home trying to cope, pretending our crappy second round pick is a fair trade.

Chill out, sam darnold is like 2 peoples golden boy on the thread. Most people (accurately) can point out our team sucks and needs to be improved in a lot of ways, including coaching and wrs. Watching these games and honestly thinking the quarterback is the reason we suck is beyond dumb. We’re way last in the league in receivers being open

I can’t imagine watching these games and having the complete lack of critical thinking skills to think the quarterback is the reason for the ineptitude. Holy poo. This isn’t even a defense of darnold lmao we obviously need to upgrade sooner rather than later but there is absolutely nothing open and he’s getting pressured as he gets the ball. Both of these teams are awful

He didn’t quit, he’s stuck between two jobs because the defense was very predictable and the offense was repeatedly attacking the vulnerabilities of the defensive scheme.

I’d hesitate to blame any of this on defensive backs. We were in cover 3 a whole lot, the exact opposite of what you want to do against Brady and the opposite of what Arizona did the week before. Why that passing concept worked repeatedly and why it isn’t the corner’s fault for giving it up: playing soft cover 3 leaves the flat wide open and the buccaneers took advantage often with the slot or TE doing quick outs. Doing so left that outside corner as the primary tackler for many of these plays. If you watch it back, you’ll notice them setting up the deep shot by repeatedly throwing under Evans, using the fade as the clear out. Our refusal to adjust to this left our corners in a constant dilemma. If he hesitates for a second, he gets beat over the top by an all pro WR and the greatest quarterback ever. If he stays with the receiver, the receiver in the flats has a huge gain after the catch. It was just horrible game planning with even worse adjustments. It was embarrassing.

Fair, I took my frustration with the game and some of the general excuse making for Wilks out on you. My apologies. Wilks has done admirably and I have a lot of respect for how quickly he turned our culture around. I’m just extremely tired of being terrible. Being average isn’t really ideal either and I think that’d be our ceiling with Wilks. I want the organization to stride for better than what I believe he’s capable of.

The defensive coordinator calling the exact same play every single play is his first choice at DC and was the guy he brought to Arizona. You’re lying to yourself if you think he’s the guy to turn this team around. I honestly get it though, we’ve seen utter trash for so long that fans are okay with us continuing to suck but with a local guy who at least embraces our culture. Just don’t pretend he actually knows what he’s doing.

Na, I was really hoping he’d be good because I love the culture that he brings. Unfortunately him and his staff have absolutely no clue what they’re doing in relation to the actual game of football, which is a pretty key aspect of being a FOOTBALL coach

If you blame the corners, you have absolutely no idea what you’re looking at. They are running cover 3 literally every fuggin play and Tampa was just dumping it into the flat and putting the deep 3rd DB in conflict. They had no shot in fuggin hell at defending that, you could put prime Revis out there and he’d get destroyed. This was possibly the worst coached defensive game I’ve ever seen in my entire life. Wilks damn near lost all excuse for an interview and Holcomb should be canned tomorrow for how god awful this was

Please stop with this narrative that the AFC is way better than the NFC. It only exists because the AFC has better offenses and media darling quarterbacks. They haven't had a positive record against the NFC since 2018 and this year they are only 34-32 against the NFC. The NFC has won 3 out of the last 5 Superbowls and 8 out of the last 15 Superbowls. There is nothing, at all, to suggest that the AFC is any better than the NFC. The most recent winner of the AFC had a run heavy offense and a great defense. The top seed in the NFC this year has a run heavy offense (albeit due to their quarterback) and a great defense. When our team was good, we had a run heavy offense and a great defense. This may completely shatter everyone's minds because if goes against the popular narrative now, but you don't have to throw it 50 times a game to be successful. Controlling the ball, winning the turnover battle, and converting on key downs/in the redzone have been the keys to success in the entire history of the league. They still are and will always be. Our current team is built to run the ball and play great defense. That is the identity of the Carolina Panthers and the NFC in general. Teams who copy other formulas for success and completely abandon their own never work out well. Quarterbacks matter, and if there is one that fits what we want to do when we pick in the first round, we should take him. However, blindly taking quarterbacks in the first round because your team sucks is a horrible strategy.

Getting the vibe that most people disrespecting him as an executive don't actually pay attention to the league outside of this team. This was his 20th season working in the NFL and he has been on 3 losing teams (Tampa Bay from 2013-2015). In that time they drafted multiple pro bowlers and doubled their win total, until he got poached by the Titans. In his time in Tennessee, they never had a losing season and had a combined record of 66-43 (60%), good for 9th best in the league during that span. He made some mistakes and lost a power struggle within the organization, so it was probably a good time to move on. With that said, he successfully rebuilt them, he has a good reputation around the league, and he has had more success than any executive that we have had. He'd be an upgrade imo

One of the most important qualities in a quarterback is their ability to lead a team and have a respected voice in the locker room. The great ones are THE leader of their team and the guy that the team looks to when games get tough. With that said, I don't know how anyone can expect Will Levis to command an NFL locker room when he PROUDLY puts mayonnaise in his coffee. That alone was enough to remove him completely from my draft board. Intangibles matter.

He only got pressured a handful of times and he made horrible decisions almost every single one of them. It is quite literally impossible to keep him in a clean pocket for an entire game, having him layup interceptions to defenders every time he faces pressure is not acceptable and there is no excuse for it. So according to you, we trusted him in the first game against the Falcons but not this past one? We lost the one we trusted him in and won the one we did not trust him in? Look man, I get that PJ is the most exciting quarterback we've had here for a while and it is at least a fun switch up from the regular dysfunction at the position, but they have every reason not to trust him. He has double the interceptions compared to touchdowns and has a habit of throwing passes straight to defenders' hands. Our only chances at winning games is to get our run game going, limit turnovers, and get stops on defense. Leaning on PJ Walker to win you games in the NFL is just not going to work.

Wilks wasn't even allowed to pick most of his staff in Arizona, nor given any power to make personnel decisions. No idea if he's a good head coach or not (especially considering he was just an average coordinator here), but that year in Arizona was such a terrible situation that I don't think that should really be used against him

It isn’t the 1960s, none of these are even remotely as important to quarterback evaluation as talent and traits. It’s hard to find any prospects at all who fit any of that criteria and none of those concerns are worrying going into the NFL anymore lmao

From an organizational standpoint, purposefully losing games is a great way to instill a losing culture and make your team undesirable to coaches and players. I don’t think purposefully losing should never be considered a reasonable plan. With that said, there is a middle ground between losing on purpose and sacrificing your future to win meaningless games. Once your chances of the playoffs are essentially over, the best thing to do imo is to put in some younger players to develop them and see what you have going into the offseason while still actually trying to win games