Leaky_Faucet

Just now, Leaky_Faucet said:

Have been told they are close. 

Per talks this morning.

Have been told they are close. 

The tentative deal is right at 140m over 5 years. GTD money still the issue. 

1 hour ago, BlackPanther22 said:

Not trying to come across as rude or anything but.....are we sure that we can trust your info?

That is up to you. In the particular situation you are referencing, the information given to me was that the Panthers were interested in Carr which was shortly followed by a scheduled visit with said player and prior to the trade with the Chicago Bears. (Which I personally believe was entirely a David Tepper move and nobody else- no evidence just opinion). 

I will be clear with folks that I do not work in the building, and my information is not always firsthand so there will be discrepancies. If FOs and GMs can fake other GMs and FO's out, they surely can me as well and I apologize for any inaccuracies I may have posted previously. 

On the Burns situation my information has been pretty clear on the following. A) originally far apart on annual salary which is tentatively agreed upon now. B) Guaranteed amount is the main roadblock, signing bonus isn't there but that can be worked out in different ways. For those unfamiliar with contract negotiations, there are multiple dials that get turned to create a suitable deal for both parties. Length, Annual Salary, GTD amount, and bonuses are typically those dials. So perhaps, GTD money went down because annual salary went up, I don't really know. I am just passing what I have been told. 

A poster last night said that the Raiders are moving money around in a bid for him. I still have not heard anything on this. I have been told by a different individual that teams have called but that is it. I imagine this is information that will stay pretty close to the FO until if/when it happens. I will say that from my PERSONAL point of view if Burns misses a game(s) his probably of being traded increases significantly. I do not the impression from this staff that distractions are going to be entertained very long. 

No deal has been made. 

There is a tentative agreement on the yearly salary as I said last night but still too far apart on guaranteed amount and signing bonus.

Just now, Leaky_Faucet said:

Have not heard anything about the Raiders. I have heard that teams have contacted the Panthers but they haven’t reached out to anyone regarding BB.

Have also heard that the discussion is not about annual salary but rather guaranteed amount and signing bonus which is still far apart as of yesterday.

I would be very surprised if this drags on longer than a week or two as it is creating a distracting for a brand new coach and rookie QB in their first season together. I imagine the front office will cave or reach a trade deal with another team soon. 

distracting environment*
 

Pardon my grammar. It is past my normal bedtime.

Have not heard anything about the Raiders. I have heard that teams have contacted the Panthers but they haven’t reached out to anyone regarding BB.

Have also heard that the discussion is not about annual salary but rather guaranteed amount and signing bonus which is still far apart as of yesterday.

I would be very surprised if this drags on longer than a week or two as it is creating a distracting for a brand new coach and rookie QB in their first season together. I imagine the front office will cave or reach a trade deal with another team soon. 

I think too many people are blaming a coaching staff that hasn't coached their first regular season game. As a poster mentioned above, I think the results from this season is more reflecting on the GM. I have been in multiple circles that infer that Scott Fitterer values getting "deals" over the right player for the team. You can see this with the number of guys that get signed with injury plagued careers or coming off of questionable seasons. I have also been told (and I believe it) that the entire Baker Mayfield ordeal was orchestrated by the front office as the Darnold and Corral duo was the vision of the coaching staff. 

So before blaming the brand new coaching staff with years of NFL experience, I would look at who is supplying the players. Frank Reich does not have the roster control that Matt Rhule had. I see multiple people complaining about players such as Jordan and Erving. However, Frank Reich did not bring them back. He also didn't draft Keith Taylor and trade for CJ Henderson.

Give the new coaching staff a break, these guys are professionals and a complete 180 turn from the previous group. 

Just now, The Lobo said:

I find it interesting that people were saying Vegas knows stuff that’s why the line is what it is, yet when it shifts another way you get insiders and others saying Vegas doesn’t know poo, so which is it?

People use Vegas to represent their opinion when it's convenient, similar to how people cherry pick statistics. This is just the lines correcting themselves in favor of Levis' increased popularity and Stroud falling. The Reddit article is likely BS but may have accelerated it, it was going to happen anyways.

This is just the "draft market" correcting itself to make Levis the #2 QB. I have heard since February and even mentioned on here that they like Levis. However, he is not their #1 QB. The only way I see Carolina taking Levis is if they make some deal to trade out of the number 1 slot-which could happen if there is a tempting offer. OR something very damaging is released about Young- which I highly doubt.

Just now, Leaky_Faucet said:

You are.. kinda.

I think there’s debate over which will be the alternate.

3 minutes ago, run-run-pass-punt said:

I like the current uniforms just fine, but change is always nice as well. I really hope we're going white helmets.

You are.. kinda.

I wouldn't believe much on the Young hype, everything I have heard indicates CJ Stroud (even before FA). Stroud checks too many boxes for the Panthers and people are looking too far into it when the answer is right in front of them. 

1 hour ago, SaltAndPepper said:

@Leaky_Faucet define "modernizing update"

I would if I could, but I was only told that they did not really want to change the uniform drastically, only "update" it to make it appear more modern. A few years back they took the logo off the pants and changed the shoulder numbers, I imagine it will be more than that.

There are about 5-7 people in that building that see the actual draft board (which is electronic). It’s probably the most guarded thing in that building right now, anyone who says they know, is making an educated prediction. I can tell you from what I have seen there is much more hype around CJ Stroud from the staff.

Panthers are expected to kick the tires on Jakobi Meyers (no rhyme intended). Will depend on his interest and willingness to structure his contract to suit them.

4 hours ago, Captain Morgan said:

 

that can't be right...highest paid center right now is Ragnow at 13.5 according to spotrac.   

To be clear this is where it started, I couldn’t tell you where it is at now. I have a hard time believing that Carolina can go higher than their initial number of around 8 million/yr but who knows?
 

I personally believed they would try to get a team friendly first year and then pay out the remaining years higher, and they still may but I haven’t heard that. It really boils down to how much the Bozemans’ want to remain in Charlotte. 

9 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Clock is ticking loudly for Bozeman. If we lose him after trading DJ we are really putting ourselves in a hole to try to build an offense around this QB we're going to draft.

They are still working on a deal but were very far apart in the beginning. Panthers chose not to franchise tag him because they do not believe his market value is what his representatives are claiming (Appx. 16 million/yr) which was right at the value of the franchise tag. Panthers feel he is more in the 8-9 million/yr range. It is a good possibility that they keep Elflein-which is why he has not been released yet. 

1 hour ago, Shocker said:

I think the Panthers clearly took Burns off the table cuz no way Chicago would not have asked for him.

Chicago wanted Moore. 
 

Burns is completely in play.

Conversation with Carr today is supposed to be centered around money with his agent present. If the conversation goes well, he will visit in person and will likely leave with a contract.

This will be the fourth conversation he has had with the Panthers. He visited in person at the combine, and had two other phone conversations prior to the combine.

If conversation does not lead to further interest from either side, the Panthers will be searching for a dance partner in the Top 5.

Conversation with Carr today is supposed to be centered around money with his agent present. If the conversation goes well, he will visit in person and will likely leave with a contract.

This will be the fourth conversation he has had with the Panthers. He visited in person at the combine, and had two other phone conversations prior to the combine.

If conversation does not lead to further interest from either side, the Panthers will be searching for a dance partner in the Top 5.

Panthers really have two ideal options. A) is Derek Carr which as I said before is mainly from the front office but Brown and Reich are both interested in this possibility. B) Pairing a young QB with a Darnold-like player such as Sam or Andy Dalton, and this is more coaching staff driven. 
 

They really like Will Levis and he would be their option if the draft were today but keep in mind it is combine week, so this could change. They also like Stroud but there is not a lot of support from the front office to go up that high. 

Panthers offensive staff agreed to kick the tires on Carr.

Possibly this week but it will likely be the week after the combine. (Since most of the staff will be observing the workouts in Indianapolis next week).

Other free agent names that came out of the meeting was Daniel Jones and Jacoby Brissett. Brissett spent time with Reich in Indianapolis.

Panthers FO thinks the reported high salary demand by Jones reported is a move to get out of NY and he is highly regarded by Jim Caldwell.

No clear consensus from the group on whether to draft or go free agent route. There are guys they like in both directions. Things should be clearer after next week.