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That's a mic drop. For real? I've given you numerous example of proof that he CAN do it. He has the sheer physical ability to throw a football that far. Hey, there's a fact. We seen him do it a lot in college which is a very fair comparison to show if he CAN do it. Look, another supporting fact. I'm also pretty sure he's thrown and completed more than 2 of 7 passes over 20 air yards in the NFL. I'll go take my lazy ass and find out for you. Now, if you'd have come out at the start saying he is not throwing deep when given the chance and opportunity and then followed that up with some type of logical reasoning we'd actually have a discussion. Is it that he can't see a receiver breaking open? Is he staring down shorter routes constantly? Is he bailing out of the pocket to early? What other factors could possibly contribute to the fact that he HASN'T throw many deep shots? Your language comprehension and understanding of concepts is suspect at best as I also looked at "great resources" except I can name mine and explain the context of what they actually said. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJCp_CrZQhI In this video he does say that Chark beat his guy so Bryce Young needs to give his WR a chance. You've got to give your receiver a better chance to catch the ball. But then he actually goes on to explain my favorite word. The why. He says Bryce is basically doing a chunk and duck. In that he's not standing in the pocket to take the shot which many time you have to do in the NFL. He's already shown he can take a hit. That he's chunking it up and turning to protect himself from the hit and when you do that it causes accuracy problems. He also says that this behavior stems from when QB's are getting hit a lot. He continues and points how that would it have helped if the line had been able to pick up that stunt and pressure. That is the one "great resource" that has said he needs to give his receivers a chance. I agree with him on that throw in that instance but also see what factors played a part. He's also hated on the Panthers WR is just about every single video he's done about Bryce as well as how awful our scheme is and how it's putting Bryce in a horrible position. So, your great resource has to be wrong about one of those things according to your facts. Not a single "great resource" has said anything so stupid and factually incorrect as Bryce CAN NOT throw deep balls. I picked up your microphone and I'm keeping it. So, thank you.

Chinn is 2 inches taller and 9 lbs. lighter than Thomas Davis when both did the combine. I know inside backers in a 3-4 are expected to be a little bigger but I'd love to roll the dice with Chinn has a full time backer. Shaq is 6 foot and 229. Luvu is 6'3 and 236. I can't imagine Chinn could not put on 10-15 lbs of solid mass from his combine numbers.

Then at least give me a link. Can you do that. I've asked Google. I've asked Bing. I even asked Santa Claus. Tell me why he doesn't have the ability to throw deep. Tell me why he has only attempted 1 pass over 30 yards. That's why I can't show you him doing in the NFL. He's has barely attempted it. WHY!!!!!!!

My entire collection of NFL jock straps if someone will actually answer this. PS. They are signed and never been washed.

I've backed up what I say with actual evidence and theories and conjecture based in logic and previous facts. Yes, that is my game and it's also the game and anyone that wants to add validity to their argument. I've shown you pockets that were not clean on deep balls. Show me some actual evidence where he had a clean pocket and overthrew his receiver. I can show you numerous clips of him doing it but they were in college so I don't think you'll accept them. I actually worry that he has not done it but it's not hard to see the he has the ability to do it and using a bit of conjecture based on very similar and parallel situations, ie college, that he'll do it in the NFL. We are not talking about reading defenses or something that is drastically different in college than in the NFL. I'll fully agree that he's had clean pocket with openish WR downfield that he didn't attempt to throw deep to and again I'd look at those situation and ask why. All you guys want to do is accerte something is true or fact and then made up a reason why you can't be bothered to actually show or point to any evidence. You stand on invisible facts and evidence that is so easy to find that you can't be bothered to share any of it.

Has not or Can not? Words and what they mean matter?

Tell me why? Please for the love of god, tell me why he has not done it? Why, why, why, why, why?? Pretty please. Humor me and explain it to me like I have above average intelligence.

Also, so we are defining this right, what is a deep NFL throw? How far? Does it have to be down the sideline or can it be down the middle? Is he allowed to stand on someone shoulders while he does it?

What is the difference between being able to throw deep from a clean pocket to a WR that has beat his man on a streak in college vs the NFL?

I've watched a lot of Panther safeties that prove that statement very wrong. Jameson also runs a 4.25. He probably has to slow down for every throw.

YES. Breakdown of numerous Bryce Young deep throws that tells why a throw worked and why the throw didn't. Hint, clean pocket makes a huuuge difference. https://alabama.rivals.com/news/breaking-down-bryce-young-s-deep-balls-against-arkansas Bryce's pro day. This just show he has the physical ability to throw 50-60 yards. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-rceHC9wp0 Great breakdown of his passing technique and how and why he can throw deep. 45 yards with ease. Bryce's throwing mechanics broken down. This is the awesome clip we've all seen. 55 yards in the air. Just beautiful.

Icky is a really good LT. Time will tell if he can be elite. We gave him quite a bit of help last year with chips and a power run game. We didn't leave him out on an island as much because he has trouble with speed rushers and sometimes seems to just get downright lazy with his technique. I think this they are asking him to do some things that are not yet his strong suit. Nothing wrong with that. Everyone said his great skill was run blocking and being a maulter and finishing plays but he'd have to improve his pass blocking to be elite in the NFL. It does not help at all that we switched to a new scheme that doesn't mesh as well and that we've had so many injuries at guard. So much of line play is the whole unit working together as one. Hard to build that when guys keep going down. I think Brown calling plays will not expose our line so much, give them more help and more play calls that don't ask them to straight up pass block man on man. Stunts are going to continue to kill us until our guards improve. If I was a defense I would run some type of stunt on 75% of plays. We are beyond awful at stopping them.

Statistics lie and liars use statistics. There are lies, there are damned lies, and then there are statistics.

https://www.foxsports.com/watch/1051897923795 Not hard to find. I love Cosell and Cam and I read and study a ton on NFL concepts especially when it relates to the Panthers and what they are doing. I love learning and reading about this stuff. And you're not wrong on what you write here or what Cosell says in that article you posted. Don't know what it really has to do with Cam's difference from Bryce except you pointed out a couple of things that contributed to why he wasn't the type of passing that Bryce is. Cam did actually get better at being a good passer. His first 6 games before he injured his shoulder when we had Norv Turner as our OC. Cam really did focus on his technique and footwork and it showed. I would have loved to see how he continued to progress had he not gotten injured. Edit: LOL, I posted this before i saw what Linville George posted above. He's 100%. It could have been the best version of Cam.

I would love for the Huddle to give all these snow flake Bryce lovers their own thread. That way they can have their circle of love and sing Kumbaya. Anyone who can't see the guy is a complete bust by now is just blind. If he's so great, tell me how many Superbowl rings does he have? I'll wait. Psych. Not. He sucks. Bet. You are all just stupid. I'm not trying to be mean here and I say this all out of love for my fellow Panther fans. Does anyone want a milkshake and their very own thread? You can love it and squeeze it and call it George.

I remember hearing one of my favorite football x's and o's guy, Greg Cosell, say EXACTLY that word salad and almost every word is true. I love Cam, then and now but anyone who thinks he could throw with anticipation is too far gone for anyone to help. He was a see open receiver and throw a rocket at him so hard that defenders could not catch up to it. Cam was never Tom Brady, Drew Brees or any other QB that works off timing patterns and throwing to a spot long before the receiver gets there. I do think the lack of paragraphs really held some people back.

Are you in my brain? Can we be best friends?

Bam. Boom. Winner, winner, chicken dinner. This has been my biggest gripe next to Frank's playcalling. The worst part is that they were really blind to how much work Bryce (or any rookie QB) needs. You don't drop a college freshmen into graduate level courses no matter how many A's they got in high school.

I posted this in the game day thread. Look at what is coming at Bryce as he throws the deep pass to Chark. Look at Tua on the right and what kind of pocket he has on this deep throw for a TD to Reek. I'll give you a hint. All the guys in white jerseys are closer to the QB and all the guys in blue jerseys are farther away. The bottom two panels are how these guys are able to follow through on their throws. Being able to follow through on deep passes is crucial for accuracy and power. Tua even shows off by holding that follow through for like 5 seconds after the pass while no Panther ever gets within 5 feet of him.

Bryce is no where near perfect and I've said this before in other threads. It's not critiques of Bryce that are maddening. It's the lack of fully understanding what's going on and WHY things are happening that makes my brain hurt. Bryce needs to be much better at throwing the ball away. I'd love to see Bryce show some more emotional and fire. He needs to slow down and thinking he can do all the things Frank has asked him to do at this point in his career. He can do a much, much better job at taking what the defense gives him. Sometimes you just have to take the L instead of trying to pull off some magic. There have been a lot of plays where I think he should take off and run. It should be automatic that after 2 hitches if there is green grass in front of you, run and if you can't throw it away. He has shown a tendency to throw just behind his receivers at times. I don't know if that's scheme, technique breakdown or what but it happens to often. He does not have the biggest arm but he has an average NFL arm to make all the throws in the NFL. Look at the one in that JT video where you have the 2 posts on the right and Chark running the over. Bryce throws it on a frozen rope 25 yards with accuracy and zip. Part of his magic is also a curse because he throws a lot like a shortstop or baseball player. He's able to generate power and accuracy without using some basic fundamentals and generating power from the ground up. When he does have to throw deep he will have to throw with proper form because he doesn't have a cannon for an arm and can't flick with his wrist 40 yards. But, this ability also allows him to throw off platform and at crazy angles and it also allows him to get rid of the ball hella quickly when he needs to. This could also be part of the problem when he's throwing behind players. For all his talent at reading presnap, he sure does leave some obvious blitzes to come in easily. JT also showed a great instance of this when he got lit up in the redzone because we shifted the blocking to the weak side and Bryce looked to the weak side where we only had two possible routes. He has to see how vulnerable that leaves him and either pull in some additional blockers or have a checkdown or at least take a glance at where the most obvious place the pressure might come from. You always need a plan for a possible free blitzer and Bryce misses those a lot more then he should. I expect him to be smarter and more aware of some of those obvious situations.

Good grief. JT has said it in virtually every video he's done of Bryce. The Panthers, no matter what PR BS they told the media before the season, are not putting Bryce in position to showcase what he can do. I honestly don't know if he can throw the deep ball in the NFL because the combination of playcalling, oline protection and offensive scheme are not setting up those opportunities. No team just decides, hey we need to take some deep shots and randomly throws some into the gameplan. You have to be able to protect your QB and have the time to throw them. I should say that x3. Even in the play to Chark when Chark beat his man our oline could not pick up the stunt which we have struggled with all year and Bryce has a free runner right in his face. JT was exactly right, he threw it and quickly bailed to protect himself because of the rushing d-linemen we didn't block at all coming full speed right at him. Getting lit up numerous times already each game and twice really badly earlier in that game is going to make anyone not want to lineup for another killshot. The first two hard hits he never saw coming but this one was easy for him to see. On one hand I'd love for him to take the hit and throw a good pass. On the other hand that's a good way to get seriously injured. These guys are human. I don't want my QB taking unblocked killshots unless it's playoffs or Superbowl. What I really want is for the freakin oline to not get beat like a drum. Yeah, we've got backups at both guards spots and a line that isn't built for zone scheme pass blocking. Here's a hell of an idea. Don't go 5 wide. Keep some extra guys in to block more often. I know Frank wants to go all super WCO passing 80% of the time with 10 receivers all running routes and Bryce left alone to fend for himself. It a miracle they leave him 5 blockers. I fully expect us in our next game to use a lot more 2 TE sets. Give Bryce more protection. Run more to set up the pass. When the run game is going and you're running out of heavier sets it's much easier to take long shots because you have more guys to block, teams worry about the run more and it's hella easy to move the pocket and roll Bryce out away from pressure and slide the line that way. There are all kinds of things from a scheme and playcalling standpoint we can do so that Bryce isn't left out on an island so f'n' much. Frank wants his scheme to work so bad he's overlooking the fact that it's actually a detriment to Bryce and the team, not to mention we don't have the personal to run it.

Hey, if every time I post anything good about Bryce it's meet with cat calls calling me Nicole might as well fit the part. Funny thing is I bet 95% of people on her and most of whom have made those types of comments would not even have known that was her. It's elite level trolling, not boot licking. <grin>

I remember a very involved aggressive owner who decided to fire a future HOF coach early on and hire a guy he really liked. The guy had just been fired by the freakin Browns but was under contract to be the head coach of the JETS but that owner was hyper aggressive and refused to give up. League commish got invoved and Robert Kraft ended up losing the 16th overall pick that year plus a 4th and 7th rounder for being a bad owner and a 5th and 7th rounder to the Jets to get Bill Belichek for his coach. I can imagine Panther fans if Tepper traded all that for a coach which actually could have ended up happening had we really went after Sean Payton.

It's a huge problem. It's spread to virtually every other NFL team. It been going on since 1993.