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Overthecap has all of them but Wharton's just came out.

For sure. I was more pointing out overall. Wharton has 30 mil gtd vs Miltons 51. Wharton 3 years vs Miltons 4. The dead money is you want to get out of the contract after 2 years. Milton's is well structured too with a crap ton of incentives. It's just much bigger than what we gave Wharton/Brown. I'm glad to see we have a ceiling, even players we really want.

They're back loaded because the salary cap goes up every year and the last crop of FA from 2-3 years ago are getting their money. It's a fluid situation.

Man, Brandt Tillis is already earning his paycheck. I love how he structures contracts in length and ability to get out if it turns out the player isn't worth it and we need to cut bait. Compare Wharton and Browns contracts together vs Milton Williams. I really wish we could see the breakdown of the what the Panthers offered him cause Milton made bank.

I don't think anyone would argue about the potential of XL, Coker and Sanders. We're in the bottom because we have very young weapons. The entire offense is a work in progress so I don't put very much stock in where our receiving core ranks. What I do care about is projecting going forward but that is much more subjective. I think Coker is going to be somewhere between Moose and Smitty. I still see a ton of upside with XL and the team is still trying to figure out how best to use him. Adam T. is just a smooth vet and we we definitely need that. It took a bit for Sanders to get going and when it looked like he was really showing out, he got injured. He's a guy who looks like he's really putting in the work but still too early to tell how big of a weapon he could be for Bryce but he's shown enough to be a starter. Do we need a #1 WR? Of course but I don't know that he isn't already on the team. I wouldn't be mad if we draft one in the first round because it's all about the best that's available and I mean that literally. What positions can we upgrade and what are we passing over if we do take a WR in the first. I feel comfortable with a number of options be it trading for a #1 WR, drafting one in the 1st round or rolling with what we have (with some added depth, a la Moore). Any of those options allow us to compete and progress towards becoming a winning organization year in and year out.

XL runs a 4.39 in the 40 yard dash.

Tackle machine. When Morgan said we wanted Dawgs he wasn't kidding. Most of these signings look like blue collar hard hitting smart football players.

Fantastic thread and thank you for breaking down the positions. I love when guys do that as when fans know what we require from our personal and what the SAM LB does in a 3-4 it gives one a much better idea of who fits. If the draft falls right and we get a DT in the 1st or 2nd round I think we'll cut Robinson. He's run stopping insurance and can play both DE and DT. Evero will have a ton of different looks and formations. I think we really want a strong rotation, a la the Eagles. Wharton/Brown = Milton Williams. The details of Wharton's deal have not been shown yet except that 30 mil is guaranteed so at worse it's a 2 year/30 mil deal but heavily incentive laden to make it to that 52 so the deal will end up much better than what it looks like at first glance. We obviously need a starting FS. Considering our safety needs, defensive scheme and that he played under Evero in Denver, I'm shocked we have not already signed Justin Simmons. He is getting up there in age but he'd be a great stopgap with tons of experience. While we do need a #1 WR I think there is a good chance XL or Coker can turn into that. If the BPA is Tet at 8 and we can't trade back or we trade back and a top WR like Egbuka in the mid 1st. Trade back is my 1st option because of the large number of edge talent in the 1st round. Carter, Mason and Hunter are the only guys that would make me not want to trade back. Jalon Walker is the guy I really want. I think his skill and intelligence are elite. He's a true hybrid which Evero would love. He can also be a defense defining type player. Stewart, Williams, Pearce, Green at edge would all be great additions. If somehow Kenneth Grant, Walter Nolan drop to the 2nd I would run to turn in my draft card but I would not be mad at Alfred Collins or Deone Walker for a true run stopping nose tackle. One of these guys could even fall to the 3rd round.

Amen and Hallelujah!!!

Damn that sucky ass Morgan. Redoing a deal to get great value at a position of need. He can still play nose tackle if needed and added some depth for DE. I value his experience in this type of system and hopefully teaching Brown and who ever we probably end up drafting. With his size, he's much more about technique than pure size.

Very happy with this signing. Still young enough at 27 to continue to develop. He's a good tackler and corner run support is a must in Evero's system. Tall and physical.

We missed out on Williams so we ended up with two guys in Wharton and Bobby Brown who combine to replicate the skill set Williams has. Wharton has pass rush moves but is weaker against the run and Brown is true nose tackle. It's a solid plan B after missing out on Williams. More personal groups and less versatility but probably better in core run defense. Better time of possession, a safety who excels at run stopping, and better personal fits and I'm liking what the run defense is shaping up to be. I remember reading somewhere that Fangio's system can take a bit to develop a strong run D as it is a complex system.

Moehrig has five interceptions and 18 passes defensed over the past two seasons, but he has also shown considerable growth when coming forward to make plays, with three sacks and five quarterback hits over the span. Since 2023, Moehrig is a top-15 safety in interceptions, forced incompletion rate, tackles for loss or no gain and defensive stops. source: PFF I did like Holland more because of his pass coverage but Moehrig is not a consolation prize. In 21 he was in more of cover 3 type scheme and then the last 3 years he's been a better fit and played much better in Patrick Graham's defense which is more multiple. Fangio/Evero run a 2 high safety shell that rotates the safeties in all kinds of confusing ways. A lot of match coverage (zone that turns into man based on what routes the other team runs) and disguised coverage. So, he'll play all over the field, cover deep, man up the slot, play the run, etc. He's 25 and gotten better every year and I expect he'll be even better in Evero's system. He's now the 5th highest paid safety by yearly average but the total value is much less than almost everyone in the top 10. He is not overpaid but it's not a given he'll be worth the contract. He'll have to continue to excel and play like he did at the end of last year where from Weeks 16 to 18, Moehrig’s 83.3 overall grade ranked sixth among safeties.

Would have loved having him here but there number is the number and if another team backs up the money truck so we either don't want or can't match it. Sucks.

Google how the safety position works in a 2-high shell defense. Google how important the safety position is in a Vic Fangio (Evero) type defense. Then 90% of the people in this thread can come back and edit their thoughts.

Your math is not mathing. He signed in 22 and started every game that year. Panthers love his leadership and he's a pretty good center. Yes, the money matters. He wants to starts. Loves his teammates. Not a lot out there and no a lot of options in the draft. Love it, all thing considered.

https://catcrave.com/carolina-panthers-hedge-their-bets-with-no-brainer-cade-mays-free-agency-tender Great move by the Panthers. Cade really came on strong last year (8 starts). Look no further than his starts against the Giants (Dextor Lawerance) and the Eagles (best dline in NFL) late last year. He really held his own and could be the long term answer. If we go into next season with him as the starter I'm not mad at it at all. 3.3 million for 1 year. The RFA allows other teams to offer him but we can match. I keep hearing we are trying to resign Corbett too and when healthy he is a better option but that is the big question. I'm all for it at the right contract and having Mays takes into account potential injury.

We would have to give up too much in my opinion. Even if he was only a free agent I'd think twice about the money it would take.

Most fans also don't look at player salary in the proper context. You can never look at the top 15 paid player at any position and it be in the correct order of best to worst. The salary cap goes up every year resetting the market, sometimes by a little and sometime by a ton. This causes the average pay at all positions to go up. What is expensive now is not what will be expensive in year 3,4 or 5 of a contract. Your scheme can dictate a lot. Certain players are worth more money in certain schemes. IMHO, the biggest indicator for what a player gets paid is timing. It isn't a fantasy draft. Who is available to be paid is a huge factor. It's why QB's are paid so much. High demand, limited supply. It's why B+ players many times get A+ money. Smart teams can also do the opposite and pay a better player less because of a large supply hitting the market at the same time. The highest paid players are many times not the best player at that position, they're just the latest one to get paid. I always laugh when a top 10 player gets a new contract because of how many people start bitching about the team overpaying. It's really difficult for many fans (and some teams) to accurately tell the real value in financial terms of a player. That is why having a guy like Brandt Tilis who is an expert at the economics and a good GM (hopefully like Morgan) who knows how to evaluate players is gold. People in this thread are making comparisons of the present personal, value and pricing with teams from 5 or 10 years ago that ran completely different systems. Crazy. If you want to sign a top 15 safety in this cycle you're going to be paying him at least 12-15 mil per season. Potential top 5 available guy like Holland who is only 25 will probably get 17-20 per year. That's the market.

Evero runs a 2 high safety shell defense similar to Vic Fangio. The safety position is much, much, much, much, much more valuable in this defense as they have much more responsibility and are asked to do a ton more than a traditional safety. The position can be a lynchpin to this type of defense. Bad safety play was almost as horrible as our run defense. Javon Holland would be a great fit and I don't see a problem paying him the money it would take to sign him. A safety like Fitz or Justin Simmons with a high football IQ, can play deep, match up in coverage and excel is run support would elevate the entire defense.

I want a safety. Evero asks a lot from the position. I remember vividly Jordan Fuller being on an island or forced to cover the slot and getting burned badly. More than a few times.

Bryce went through a bunch of crap his first year and kept his mouth shut and kept working. Does anyone realize that the first time he actually got time to focus and not have to learn a new system and playbook was when he was benched. Rookie year with 3 different OC's / playcallers. What has really happened is Bryce kept working, Canales kept working with him, took the pressure off and allowed him to settle into one consistent offense. The whole team was learning another new system and that takes time. I've heard numerous olinemen say it takes at least half a season to begin to really gel and understand a system. I imagine it's like that for most players, especially very young players who don't have a lot of experience. Bryce needed consistent direction, consistent coaching, a consistent offense and some time to process and understand. He learned to trust his protection and trust himself at this level which is a miracle considering what he dealt with his rookie year. Canales put him in a position to excel and Bryce responded. With how he progressed the 2nd half of the year and having a full off season and training camp in the same system I can't wait to see where his career goes from here. Keep pounding.

I think his catching is elite. I forget what game but he had a slant route on a 5 WR set, in traffic and snapped it out of the air with his hands like like a Cobra. Good route running, great size. His 10 yard split and broad jump are elite. The knock on him was his lack of competition and speed but watch his run after the catch in games. He is not getting chased down. Not an issue. Purely my opinion but I think he has some of the biggest potential of any player on the team.

Man is the poster boy for our Panthers... ..of the last 5 years.