Loyalty4Life

Great take. I'm a big Bryce fan and have been since we drafted him. My stance has always been to give him time to develop. To have some patience. I look at each play and figure out where the issue was on that play and who did their job and who screwed up. Over time you look to see if the player is improving. Stats are a reflection of making the right decisions but depend very heavily on what the other 10 guys did or didn't do and what play Canales called and the situation. I hope no one would argue that the games in which Bryce plays well, he usually plays really, really well. You can easily see on dozens of individual plays where is does things at an elite level. We can also see how the teams talks about and responds to him, on and off the field. We are at the point now where we know whats possible. The question now is how to do it more consistently. We have a young coach. We have a young GM. We have young players. We have Young. Let the Panthers cook. It may not be happening on the time table or in the exact way the fan base wants but no one can argue this is the best the team has looked from top to bottom since Watt blew up Cam's shoulder. Front office, coaching staff and players. Win, lose or draw the Panthers are exciting and contending again.

You could have read the article. It's a PR thing the NFL and Fedex has been doing for over two decades to promote Fedex, the NFL and charity work. "Winners won’t just take home accolades, they also unlock impact. Every Player of the Week honor will result in a donation from FedEx to Feeding America for a local food bank in the winning players’ cities. Since the program’s inception in 2003, FedEx has donated nearly $3 million to nonprofit organizations, such as charities and children’s hospitals, in the name of winning players. This new chapter with Feeding America brings the program’s community impact to NFL markets." Everyone is making a bunch of assumptions about the parameters of the award and what being nominated is based on and then arguing over it. It's whoever the NFL deems had a great game and then fans vote. Everybody cheers and hungry kids get to eat.

If this award is for the week, why are you pulling stats outside that parameter? It's also a fan vote so it's just PR and Marketing. The award isn't just about stats. According to the website: The program, now in its 23rd year, celebrates weekly standouts from across the league while connecting elite player performance with meaningful community support. https://newsroom.fedex.com/newsroom/global-english/fedex-air-ground-nfl-awards-enters-second-year-of-expanded-player-format

Thank you for answering the OP's question. Love the breakdown.

We have two on staff currently. I don't think that's the usual thing on most teams. Caldwell and Capers. Not to mention the relationship he has with Pete Carrol. And y'all arguing on who to replace them. Ron Rivera or John Fox? You serious, Clark?

That TD pass to Legette against Miami. Elite. The play where Bryce rolls right to buy time until Tet can reverse field. Bryce pumps as multiple defenders close in. He barely gets it away before he takes a big time hit. Beautiful off platform throw and great catch by Tet. The second TD to Tet against Dallas where Bryce dips and turns his shoulder in to evade the pass rusher. Resets and finds Tet in the end zone. Dude embodies the Keep Pounding mantra.

Did I imagine that hurney called every team in the bottom half of the first round the year Pickles came out. No one would trade out even when offered next year's 1st round pick. Pickles fell to us in the second. That pick became Cam Newton. I also remember rumors saying that people inside the building preferred Blaine Gabbard.

Did I imagine that hurney called every team in the bottom half of the first round the year Pickles came out. No one would trade out even when offered next year's 1st round pick. Pickles fell to us in the second. That pick became Cam Newton.

Where's the guy from a few weeks back saying Derek Brown was a JAG and not worth his salary? What can Brown do for you? Throw offensive linemen like he's playing Cornhole. Beast.

From the 50 yard line, you say? Man, there are cameras everywhere these days. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/iBZY75KLCwE

I don't know how he's won any games since he can't make NFL throws. Maybe that's why he has as many running TD's as he's gotten.

Sounds like he's mentally down and has to talk to a bunch of reporters asking him what the issue is. In any event I'm not ready to drag him into the street and shoot him yet. He just needs to keep his head down and keep working. Keep the main thing the main thing and stay off social media.

A good defensive showing can and should confuse and fluster a young QB. We confused him and pressure him which caused him to get worse and worse since he's a young QB who doesn't have the experience to overcome what we were doing. He was bad but our defense played very well. He had so many passes to the checkdown and to the sidelines it was easy to predict a pick like the one Jackson got was coming from a mile away. Only one game but I've always liked Evero even if the scheme to stop the run scares me because it seems like we have to hit every gap exactly right and it's hard to maintain that over time. Loved Moore. Coach trusts him and you can put him all over. Return punts, block, catch. He's a glue guy and exactly the type of a player a 4th or 5th guy on the depth chart has to be.

I don't care what he was billed as. That's media and fan bs. I completely agree that, like all QB's, Bryce has things he does very well, things he needs to improve and things he is horrible at. You're right, he can't just flick his wrist and throw it 60 yards. He will never throw a pass like Calab Williams did last week or big arm QB's can do. That's a limitation he does have but he can throw just fine, without having to put everything into it, ie the 43 yard throw to Tetairoa (which he dropped). There are plenty of very successful Qb's now and in the past who can't throw 60 yards off their back foot. No matter what video or stat is shared with you, you've shown you don't want or can't hear it. You'll find some excuse to say why that doesn't matter, over and over. If you really don't care I'd expect a lot less bitching about him. I agree with you that we should absolutely bring in competition for Bryce. I think not having a capable backup or competition is a mistake. Dalton can get you a game or two but it doesn't matter if you love or hate Bryce. There is nothing realistic behind him. At least, can both agree we love the Panthers and want the team to succeed?

So, you never make been wrong about a player? Could you tell Mike Jackson was going to be this good for us based on his play for Seattle? Are you batting 1000% in picking where players are drafted? My eyes told me that Bryce threw the ball into the stands on the 4th down inside the red zone against the Jags. It looked like a horrible mistake and he panicked but then in the press conference after the game Canales admitted that the receiver ran the wrong route and Bryce was throwing to the back pylon. Your eyes (and humans in general) are one of the very worst sources for reality. It's in our nature. Even my cousin Vinny knows that.

I was never comparing Brady to Bryce. I used his first year stat for YPA to show it's a stupid comparison because Brady only had 1 pass for 6 yards in his rookie year. It was a clear example of my point (at least for some people), that taking a single stat and using that to say player A was better than player B. Further, the original discussion was my claim that many people do expect Bryce to be more like Cam in terms of success for a 1st overall pick and that where a player is drafted ultimately doesn't matter. You must have forgotten to take your meds as you responded with YPA of Clausen and Ward which has nothing at all, whatsoever, to do with fans expectation of a player solely due to his draft slot. And yet, you continue to throw random stats to continue a separate conversation that doesn't exist. I go to great lengths to try to be accurate. That's is why it's always been my argument that Bryce with Canales as his head coach and actual weapons around him, should be given the time to grow and improve. If he succeeds and shows he can be a franchise QB then he'll earn an extension. If not, he won't be here and I have no issue with that. It's very possible that he will end up a career back up but no one should make that declaration after 13 games. Even if you don't agree, which is fine, I think you could actually understand why I feel that way. It's not a hard case to make that his first year included horrible coaching, oline, surrounding talent, defense, or run solid run game. No one should or could be accurately judged in those circumstances. That doesn't mean you might not turn out to be right and it doesn't mean I don't think Bryce had a ton of things to work on. He does but I'm not so myopic in my thinking that I also can't see what he has done well and what skills he brings to the position.

I hope Joe is right.

Says the kettle.

It's starting QB's. I should have been more clear. I was more referring to Clausen. I thought common sense would tell us that Cam Ward isn't a good comparison yet because he has only played 3 games. I mean, we can, but with a sample size that small it doesn't really tell us anything and definitely doesn't answer the question of if Ward is or will be a successful NFL QB.

Yes, but the point went easily over your head. Brady had 1 pass for 6 yards his rookie year. See how stupid the comparison in regards to using one stat to decide if a QB is good or not.

This is a stat graphic from the article. It's based entirely on that stretch of games last year called the 2024 season. https://www.si.com/nfl/panthers/news/new-stat-panthers-qb-bryce-young-immense-talent-clearer The guy even posted a video of every throw over 20 yards. https://x.com/jagibbs_23/status/1923333859174748471 Since we have now educated ourselves on the actual number of games I think we can conclude it's not a "puff" piece. The first two games of his 3rd season do not replace all of the 2024 season unless you're just being flippant. We're talking about his deep accuracy only. Stay on topic. Even if we are talking about accuracy overall you're still full of poo. Tom Brady 64.3 for his career. Most consider 60% to be the median of average with good to very good being 65-70%. In college Bryce went 59%, 65% and 67%. As he continues to improve in the NFL I think he'll end up about the same trend line overall as he had in college. I agree on the 50/50 balls.

Comparing a random stat to another rookie QB has nothing to do with the current subject. Tom Brady had a 6.0 YPA his rookie year. I hope you're not using one stat to define success of a QB? It's not a problem to want him to do better based on where he was drafted although I still contend it doesn't matter after the fact. It doesn't matter if we're talking about Cam Newton, Tom Brady, Russel Wilson or any other QB. It makes little difference once you're in the NFL. Nobody gets a ring for where they were drafted. Higher draft picks will get a little more time in most cases as teams want to make sure they've exhausted all avenues before they admit a draft pick can't play. Other teams might pick them up thinking it wasn't the player but the organization and/or other coaches that caused the player not to succeed. It's people's expectations that are wrong. If we could go back and redo all the draft and put guys in the correct draft spot based on how well they played in the NFL, that would be nice. Then your argument would make some sense. People assume that where a player was drafted is a statement on how good that player is when the reality is there is a lot more luck than skill in drafting. If Coker turns into a pro bowl receiver and XL becomes a bust nobody cares except fans and the media. What we really should say is it's not too much to expect a player who has started at QB for a team over the last 2 years to be better than he currently shows. Don't compare 1st round picks. Compare starting QB's in the NFL.

Uh yeah...your point? We're talking about the expectations of a 1st overall pick because you said no one was asking Bryce to be Cam 2.0, aka a number 1 pick that comes out of the gate with a large amount of success. I disagreed and said people are. I have no idea what Jimmy Clausen has to do with that.

Sigh. Here we go again. https://www.si.com/nfl/panthers/news/new-stat-panthers-qb-bryce-young-immense-talent-clearer I do agree Bryce has a lot of areas he needs to improve.

I think the defense is playing better this year because Evero finally has enough starter level talent to work with. Last year I remember reading an breakdown of his defense and why we physically didn't have the players or talent to stop the run and that what he was forced to do to compensate left us wide open for other attacks. He was damned it you do and damned if you don't. Also, I hate when people talk about average yards when you have a huge outlier run. Chop off the top and the bottom and that's the real average. You can run for 1 yard 9 times and 80 yards 1 time and get a really good average. I hope it continues.