Loyalty4Life

Bryce under center a lot more is a great gameplan change. More PA, motion and just a 100x better play calling. Damn, Nola jumped out of the stadium.

Rico out here stumbling like it's Madden. That was sweet!

Dependability and trust. Every team has a few players the coach has built a long relationship with. Canales trusts Moore to do his job, be where he should be and not make unforced errors. Despite another player having more raw skill or upside, you have to have players like Moore on the team.

Those passes by Penix are exactly what happens when you get pressure on the QB a few times. He's feeling more pressure than there is.

On that run outside Wallace was frozen. He has to leverage out to that side. I'm not sure what he was starring at.

Moehrig being a run defender and tone setter. Exactly why he's here. Robinson is a gross ass man though.

I love, love, love watching the Falcons shoot themselves in the foot. It is a grand source of joy in my life. Watching Vick tear your team apart year after year will give you some meaningful fan hateraid.

Love it when Bryce uses his legs and takes off when nothing is open. Huge weapon. Hubbard's patience when running is impressive.

Guys on D are really staying in their gap. Great blitz packages too. Great job by the D and the coaching staff for a much improved game plan thus far.

I can point out dozens of flaws with the team but I'm not in every thread on repeat with the same tired takes.

I'm not comparing Brown to Peppers. I'm comparing your treatment of Brown to past treatment of Peppers. Both didn't appreciate it or realize what they contribute outside of the easiest aspect to see like sacks or TFL's.

I assume you are looking in a mirror when you said that.

You, nor any other fans are the source of any problems. Watch, don't watch, complain, bitch and moan. Knock yourself out. I can't believe the people that complain non stop about everything (even when justified) week after week, are enjoying themselves. I don't like when the team losing but I enjoy watching the team the way I enjoy watching a college team or high school team from the school I went to. I'm a Panther fans because I've lived in the Carolinas all my life and enjoy the journey.

If you think Derrick Brown isn't worth it then you just don't understand what he is being asked to do and how he contributes greatly to our defense. I can't believe you are real. I remember all the poo fans gave Peppers back in the day for not being good enough and "disappearing" in games. People out here thinking entire games are supposed to look like youtube highlights.

Bryce and the team are just supporting their team mate cause the fans sure as hell don't. Serious question. Why do you watch the Panthers if they suck so bad, have sucked for so long, are cursed by the black cat, have an owner, GM, coach, OC, DC, that are horrible and draft so many players that don't excel in their first year?

I bet Cade starts at guard.

He is hit or miss like everyone else but I will say he was super high on Coker. Can't wait to get him back.

I know we are all sick if losing and that magnifies everything. I think fans in general have a very "how did we look last game" mentality. It's only been just over a year for Canales and XL but it seems like the hope of turning the corner from the way last season ended has only pissed fans off even more since we've had so many issues to start the year. It's hard to have patience because fans are in year 6 or 7 of sucking while Canales and XL have only just started. The shine wore off super fast. That being said Smith like to hear himself talk and his mouth moves faster than his brain.

That was what George called them. That was his descriptor. Drop all those if it makes you feel better The whole convo is highly subjective. We're not exactly following the scientific method here. Serviceable was the low bar he set. He also said star. I think we can both agree that Steve Young was a star. He didn't ask for any parameters. He didn't ask for any context. If he did, I would have answered differently. I don't think anyone would argue all of those players had rocky starts to their career which they overcame.

Man, losing Hurt sucks so bad. I think Cade is serviceable. I am very scared for Zavala. I really pray he's improved. I have a very hard time believing he's better than Brady. I hate, hate, hate the NFL for the 18 game schedule. It would be very difficult to convince me that the added games in a sport already high in injuries does not contribute greatly to the rash of injuries. If ever there was a example of killing the golden goose.

Thank you for literally proving my point in so much detail. Which of those QB's you listed did not go on to be serviceable? Yes, there are a ton of variables that make comparisons less valuable in a lot of way but the whole point is can a pro QB overcome a bad or horrible start. I'm sorry if you think 3 games more in his first year and 3 less in his 2nd somehow makes the Brees comparison not relevant. That is blantently disingenuous and makes having real discussions a pain the butt. We're comparing "similar" bad situations and bad QB play early in a players career. Some of the stats, like games won are lower for Bryce but still comparable. Other stats like interceptions are in Bryce's favor, ie 19 for Bryce over 2 years and 31 for Brees. Maybe we are not answering the same question. George stated "Show me anyone who has been as bad as Bryce through 30 games and turned into a serviceable player much less a star." I could have just said, Maddox and Young and proven his statement wasn't factual. It's the over the top pearl clutching and hyperbolic statements that make my eye twitch.

I'm most surprised with our offensive playcalling. Teams seem to know or have a very good idea where a lot of our run plays are going this year. We don't seem to blend the offense together well this year. It's condensed formations power runs or 5 wide spread. What happened to roll outs, moving the pocket, PA? I know the way the game went handicapped the run game but it's odd. Coaches did not have any kind of blitz protection packages. That's on them. Bryce cannot press and hold on to the ball looking for deeper shots when the check down is right there. On the blitz fumble, he had Chuba in the flat right away and a beat later had Sander on a drag. Last year he was eating that stuff up but this game seemed to revert to bailing out right looking downfield. That is correctable as old habits are easy to fall back on under pressure. I more worried about the ball security. Gotta make it more of a deal breaker. Turnovers ruin everything and two hands on the ball and knowing when a play turns into a low percentage is something Bryce has to get better at. He was very good 2nd half of last year with not turning the ball over. Now, he's loose with the ball and bailing out right from pressure. I will say that the first week of Yosh Nijman being dog walked into Bryce's face repeatedly probably gave him a bad case of deja vu. I'm still on board and still have faith. Keep pounding. As a side note, the dude calling Derrick Brown a JAG is the height of huddle logic. In 2023 he broke the NFL single season record for most tackles by a dlinemen with 103. 21 tackes for loss putting his 3rd all time for the Panthers for interior dlinemen.

Bruh? Is Sam Darnold not serviceable? Did he not have a great year last year with the Vikings? He just went 22-33 for 295 yards with 2 TD and 2 picks in a win over the Steelers. How is this wrong? Combined two-year totals which includes Drew's 8-8 record in his first year: Drew Brees Record: 10-17 Passing: 5,392 yards Touchdowns: 28 Interceptions: 31 Passer Rating: 67.5 Bryce Young Record: 10-17 Passing: 5,280 yards Touchdowns: 26 Interceptions: 19 Passer Rating: 77.95 This even forces me to include Bryce horrible first year and it's still comparable. What am I missing now? Does the climate out west for Drew make a difference when compared to east coast weather in comparison? There is never going to be an exact match. It's why I shared so many. What is so freakin difficult is seeing that some NFL QB's have had similar starts to their career as Bryce, including getting benched or traded but still went on to be serviceable, much less a star? That is literally all I'm saying here which is direct response to George's "Show me anyone who has been as bad as Bryce through 30 games and turned into a serviceable player much less a star." The fact that you can't concede even small points is very telling. What I'm saying here isn't even controversial. I feel like I'm in the football version of Idiocracy.

Way to counter my argument. I concede. Drew Brees' second year (2003): Starts: 11 Record: 2-9 Passing: 2,108 yards Completion %: 57.6% Touchdowns: 11 Interceptions: 15 Passer Rating: ~67.5 Bryce Youngs' second year (2024): Starts: 14 Record: 5-7 Passing: 2,403 yards Completion %: 60.9% Touchdowns: 15 Interceptions: 9 Passer Rating: ~82.2 I am not saying Bryce is going to turn into Brees. But this is a great comparison to prove my point that guys can take time to develop and other QB's have come back from situations comparable to Bryces to not only be serviceable but outright stars.

Sam Darnold and Geno Smith recently. Jake Plummer, Jim Plunkett, Doug Williams, Tommy Maddox, Steve Young, Drew Brees, Rich Gannon, Alex Smith, Vinny Testaverde, Terry Bradshaw.