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Training Camp for 7/30/2024 (first padded practice!)
strato replied to Icege's topic in Carolina Panthers
I Am at the beach. There is no real point in getting on things right now if someone has a crappy day. Maybe except Icky or something, that would bother me. Or riding their jock if they have a good one. The truth shows up when the pace of play picks up and the contact is for real. I’m waiting to see that. -
As the long game relates to us, we need to make people defend it, as has been said. Chiefs: No one had an answer for Kelce for a couple years running. People could not defend him. Short medium long.
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If Smitty can help him with the head games and mental side of competing against CBs, do it. He was an expert at getting them out of their game. And in general, he knows a trick or two. Probably just a good thing that Mingo has a guy that good as a mentor. Just need to make sure Smitty and Rob Moore are good and on the same page.
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Gonna have to see that arm strength in action that’s for sure. Never said it Couldn’t work, but man the windows and margins are not minor obstacles.
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Training Camp for 7/30/2024 (first padded practice!)
strato replied to Icege's topic in Carolina Panthers
Brooks for sure is no J Stew and that is what we are lacking still, a guy that will move a pile enough to get that tough yard. But if he can hold onto the ball, hit the holes they give him it should work okay and if he can add a receiving threat into the equation, that could be a really good thing. -
I guess my point is, where the hell is medium? Did they just do away with it? There should not be some binary system that doesn’t allow for a finer categorization than over or under 20 yards.
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Yeah I bet it would be hard to see that from our team in under 2.7.
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Training Camp for 7/30/2024 (first padded practice!)
strato replied to Icege's topic in Carolina Panthers
I thought Blackshear looked pretty good when given the ball. Surprisingly. If this OL is actually good, we aren’t gonna be but so horrible. -
The OL will be better this time.
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fug that. That is a malicious definition, it completely disrespects actual legit great throws. We need some reform. not that a 20 yard throw can’t be great. It’s isn’t a great 30 yard, or 40 yard throw though.
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It’s kind of a two faceted thing. The biggest issue last year was not stretching the defenses, having no deep ball threat, and that was evident from the very first game; it was a problem. So we are looking hard to find what they are going to do about it this year. Stretching the defense is high on the agenda for success, and people are alert to it. So then we start talking deep balls, people are all “15 yards, 20 yards” is a deep throw.
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Training Camp for 7/30/2024 (first padded practice!)
strato replied to Icege's topic in Carolina Panthers
That is the sensible approach. You have to earn that. -
Training Camp for 7/30/2024 (first padded practice!)
strato replied to Icege's topic in Carolina Panthers
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I can count on you to research that stuff why should I? Joking. I know what the people say I just think it is inadequate. I believe it is a probably a function of FF or something because rarely in every day talk do people refer to a 20 yard pass as a deep throw. But they need their grading system. I am really not aiming this at Young’s arm, not trying to stretch the definition past what he can throw just to dog him. Haven’t used the term rainbow, duck, rope, any of that descriptive stuff. I do not give a poo what some writing somewhere says when I have eyes. That is pretty much it.
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Somebody claimed 15 yards is a deep throw. You could take a sack and need to complete a deep ball to get a first down. It seems pretty silly.
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You are injecting this because it suits your narrative and fanhood IMO. Because it is really just some stat keeping crap. Does ANYONE think DCs are looking at a 15 yard pass as a deep throw? Maybe with us in 2023 but the real world? I just completely disagree. And don’t care what bullshit people use to justify it. Okay? Deep is over the top. Attempting to get behind the defense. A fuging 15 yard pass does poo to stretch a defense. Maybe it stresses them but it does not stretch them.
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That’s messed up. Daryle Lamonica could have never gotten his his nickname throwing 15 passes. The mad thrower?
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And there are people who can do that. Like one of 5 or something. And at 40 the odds are better. I am not asking for that but at the same time don’t want to settle for that ‘20 yards is a deep ball’ thing. good night
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Did you see that thing about his injury rehab actually strengthening his arm?
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Yeah okay. I need better than lumping a 20 yard throw in with a 50 yard dime. For instance. There is a difference, okay? It can be rather large. NFL, PFF, DGAF, ESPN, none of them ask me but they should because they have it wrong.
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I would never use that standard. Don’t care what they say. PFF, pfff.. This is sort of like what is left or right of center politically, the goal posts shift according to the goals of the person setting the boundary lines. I really can’t agree to this 20 yard standard because it completely devalues a true deep ball. 40 inthe air, or in PJ’s case, was it 63? It was crazy. Ansd it wouyld only rate ‘the same as a 20 yard throw. That just doesn’t work for me and it has absolutely nothing to do with Bryce Young. Really, it doesn’t. Which, I get that a Young fan would be fine calling 20 yards downfield ‘deep’ but I don’t think the world would make that a standard just for him. So I am not saying that is the reason. I think ‘chunk plays’ serves to fill the gap and reward thew 20 yard type of stuff.
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I’d just as soon have kept PJ as what they did.
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Chunk plays are 20 plus. About deep balls. If I am at the 20 facing the end zone. I’m in the Red Zone. Throwing to the goal line makes it a deep ball? So 20 is deep. And 40 is deep. And 50 is deep. It doesn’t really synch up to my way of looking at things. 20 has to be medium to me.
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I don’t think a ball 20 yards downfield should be considered a deep ball. Because it isn’t.