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I try to like listening to that guy. Does he think Canales doesn’t know and didn’t address this day one? Remember 2.7 seconds, 123 plant throw? That was one of the first things he said. If you watched for this stuff year two and of course I did, being aware of Young’s issues, you saw the difference in preseason. Just the one game one drive vs Buffalo but it was there. You can still find that probably. And I ranted about it opening day vs NO that year, Bryce had the footwork for the few drops he made in the 1st qtr. I forget whether it was very end of that qtr of very beginning of the 2nd, it was gone and the old habits were in place. This poo isn’t new, where has he been? edit: and I heard him say that all the small QBs do that tippy toe stuff? Can that possibly be true? I guess it could be as I have never analyzed another shrimp’s footwork. But I am very doubtful.

Some of us are. I am one of those grinches that looks at it like, we had 4 games of must win and control our destiny and all that, and went 1-3. We earned nothing. Atlanta won our title for us. Damn, Harbaugh. Who they hiring?

They must have had relatives…

Coker has never dropped a pass? poo, call Vegas.

This was always so funny to me. Rookie year, people kept on the the Peyton Manning had a shitty rookie year. So did… insert another all pro, same thing. They never said well Jamarcus had a shitty rookie year. Heath Schuler. Clausen. A litany of busts also had shitty rookie years. I mean, only great QBs had shitty rookie seasons, so Bryce’s shitty season means nothing. And when we get to the comparisons now….

I watched. Meh. He seems pretty entrenched. Knows what is best for himself. He thinks. He is a good guy, me not being a fan of his QBing I don’t want to humanize him too much because I could go soft. As long as his play is gonna be an issue for me, he has to remain a figure on my TV screen

Can’t edit that, but I admit I have biases galore, especially against short small QBs. Biases are positive too. In nature. Pos/neg, they go both ways.

As far as progress goes, a turtle makes progress. A snail makes progress. Congress makes progress. Well maybe not Congress. Bryce needs to step it up.

Yeah I root for him but can’t stan him with his boneheadedness. I think he has more talent and potential than the big detractors think he has. But he has to prove it I can’t make excuses for him.

Well Renfro was a local HS player around where I live so I was pulling for him. We didn’t see much of him, not enough to know if he was doing well on the comeback anyway. I was resentful a little that Young couldn’t get the ball to him.

Thanks a lot Aggie I appreciate that quite a bit. I suspect you were lol. Old water under the bridge. It never really gets you anywhere to claim that you aren’t racist when that comes up, nobody that is calling you one buys it. And every one of us has biases. And that’s okay afaic, they come from personal experience.

Not looking it up but I wonder, who did we beat in those games?

Well they are pawn brokers. The good stuff is in the back.

Cam could do everything they are having Fred do, pretty much. And can see over the line and run a hell of a sneak. Just saying. And we’d have had all our squandered picks and DJ Moore. poo.

That was good. I am slow with the xo stuff and the newer terms but I can surmise that when you go straight progressions you need to be able to see the field. If you can’t you can’t evaluate your options. A lot of what we do is just pick one side of the field and move Bryce that way. Which I feel limits you and helps the defense. Kind of like the deep stuff fits with the want to make the defense defend every blade of grass.

Without watching it, I am gonna guess it is “well it got me this far”-ish. I bet I will get pissed or disgusted if I watch that but I’ll try and get to it. I always remember Reich and Tepper going at it over the mechanics/footwork. Reich supposedly told him it was an offseason project not an in season one and big Tep demanded he fix it that week. Was shortly before Reich was fired. Btw I thought that after we got Bryce Frank always looked like the long suffering guy with a shrewish overbearing wife. Who was stuck. A sadder Al Bundy,

Excellent. With Bryce, as with many situations, you don’t advertise your weaknesses. You hope people don’t notice them.

I remember so many times when he would pop out the pile and get up a head of steam with that long stride and who the hell wants to get in his way? Or flick the ball 40 yards on a rope. MF was the most naturally gifted player I remember seeing. (At QB. I mean, Bo Jackson?) I was irritated the same way you talk about Bryce, with Cam going back to school (mostly to be BMOC and chase skirts I thought) after his rookie season. I wanted him in those same drills to finish building himself. And that went on throughout his career. He never felt the need to make himself take that last step up. Apparently. It came so easy for him, I understand. He didn’t have to do that to be better than most other guys. He was young and rich and horny. Have some fun, work hard in season.

How about non 6’5” Brady, just a couple of years ago? Honestly since I quit playing FF and also cut the cable I don’t watch the league like I did. So more examples, I might be slack. Stroud is more in that mold to me. Classic drop back passer. I think my point is, if you have that guy it can still work. The shift to athleticism being prioritized (which really kind of kicked into gear with Cam) has led to a reduction of guys playing that way it seems like. The pool of players in that mold is smaller.

It still does, or can, if you have that guy and can protect him. But getting the ball out is the huge thing right now. Backyard stuff has slowly migrated up from high school to college to the pros. It is the fastest way to get athletic guys on the field. So they build around that. I think.

I got killed talking about Cam’s non existent footwork. Racist! Hater! All that stuff, constantly. You could not speak that way here. I just quit. There were a lot more Cam stans than Bryce stans. For good reason. But it was overwhelming I wasn’t gonna try and argue with them, around the clock. I was coming at it from the perfectionist perspective. The idea that if he could do that he could really be in the all time great conversation. It wasn’t said to tear him down. People couldn’t deal with it. As good as he was, that extra would have put him up on another level. Two levels. It is a shame that it took an injury to force him to adapt his process.

I am not at all a scout technique guy. I can tell you, you probably have seen me say this a bunch, but 10 minutes or so of watching his pro day was really all I needed. It was there. And this goes back to what I said about we are indoctrinated to his play after all this time and it doesn’t look as different to us now (or me), but I went back and looked at that same video two years later and it was harder to see. But it was clear as day the first time I looked, I don’t have the skill to see it if it weren’t.

I think he is such an outlier people didn’t know what to do with him coming up. If he can get by with his unique mechanics and get the win, those coaches accept it and work around whatever they need to. Path of least resistance. Easier to put him in the gun and snap it to him back there, you don’t have to teach him to do under center drop plant throw timing stuff. Matter of fact that isn’t just him. That is all over high school and college. But he is a special case with that crazy parallel meandering back pedal on the tippy toes. That is height related, seems to me. It is how he adapted. Talk about fixing it, tall odds, as fuged up as his mechanics are relative to proper. What Warner is pointing out (and explaining it much much better than I ever could) is a lot easier to talk about than do something about.

And when you realistically discuss it, point it out, whatever, you are hating!