JawnyBlaze

3 minutes ago, Catsfan69 said:

I'm telling you that field of play for the purpose of celebrating is extended to any area outside of your coaches box.

I've seen it thrown at all three levels hs,college and pro.

I don't have to agree with it but these rules have existed for a long time.

It was a stupid move on his part.

I don’t believe that for a second. If you can find it in writing then I’m wrong, but a former official disagrees with you and common sense disagrees. If he had caught a pass where he took his helmet off, it would not have been a catch because it would be out of the field of play. The field of play is the field where the game is played. Anything outside the boundary lines is not where the game is played

37 minutes ago, Catsfan69 said:

Never seen them take the helmet off for the Lambeau leap

That’s referring to a separate penalty, the “excessive” part. Taking the helmet off is only a penalty in the field of play, the reference to the Lambeau Leap was if they wanted to try to call it “excessive celebration” instead of taking the helmet off

21 minutes ago, KSpan said:

Your statement is incorrect - he started taking his helmet off in the end zone, screenshot below. And where did I ever say anything about not being allowed to celebrate/show emotion? 

 

Ok I was off with the “didn’t touch” but he still had the helmet completely on when he was completely out of bounds 

1 minute ago, Catsfan69 said:

Well there's also the part of the rule that says excessive. 

So helmet off almost in the stands then back on the field of play. 

I've seen worse calls for Celebration.

He should have never done it. 

We don't have to like the call. The flag probably should have stayed in it's pocket but DJ shouldn't have put us in that position. Don't give the refs a chance to throw the flag.

 

Yea the part that mentions excessive also specifies “two or more players”, this is talking about the rehearsed celebrations.  Not a solo player taking his helmet off out of the field of play and jumping in the stands. How many times would the Packers have been flagged for this if the Lambeau Leap was a penalty?

I looked up a video and Cam was definitely out of bounds, but the article also implied it was for taunting rather than taking the helmet off. I couldn’t find video of the ref explaining the penalty (I suppose I could get on game pass and see it, I might later) so I don’t know if the helmet was mentioned. 

Just now, KSpan said:

You have nothing to support such a conclusion, and if you do then it would be interesting to see. 

I didn’t mean to imply the only two times in history, just the only two times mentioned here (or that I can recall) were against the Panthers. I’ve never seen that penalty called against a player that wasn’t in the field of play other than DJ and Cam (assuming the previous poster is correct and Cam was out of bounds when he took his helmet off)

31 minutes ago, KSpan said:

 

I just don't have any sympathy here. He was in the process of taking it off in the end zone as soon as he stood up in the end zone and it came off in the white; if he's a yard closer to the goal line this is all a moot point since it would have been entirely in the end zone. Gotta be more disciplined than that, and I'm confident he and the team will (not so sure about the NFL though). 

It's not lost on me that the kicker missed a field goal earlier and should have made the kick anyway. This isn't on DJ exclusively by any means, and I daresay that the penalty was even fairly minor. An NFL kicker should make at least one of those two.

He didn’t even touch his helmet until he was fully in the white out of bounds area. I don’t understand what’s so hard for people to grasp here. Yea, he should not show any joy or emotion after presumably winning the game for us, I get that. But his momentary lapse in judgement should not have cost us the game because it wasn’t against the rules. 

29 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

Cam last year was clearly out of bounds but he was flagged. 
 

Im wondering if DJ came back into the end zone and that’s why they flagged it because it took a long time for that flag to show up I was sure it was an unsportsmanlike conduction celebration penalty not a removal of helmet. 
 

Either way the refs were looking for anything to throw a flag on. 

Yea I didn’t mention the Cam one when it was mentioned earlier because I couldn’t remember where he was. If so, that was an erroneous penalty too. Goes to show the only two times it was called that way when they weren’t on the field of play was against the Panthers…

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Possible, but what he was thinking doesn't really matter.

What he did should not have been penalized.

Exactly

Just now, KSpan said:

It's always been called this way, if inconsistently, and he sure wasn't thinking about a rule when he did it. Was a dumb thing to do and he lost the flag roulette. Is what it is.

 

 

I’ve never ever seen a player flagged for taking their helmet off to celebrate out of bounds. I’ve seen it a few times in the end zone or on the regular field. Aka in the field of play. 

Yep. 

6 hours ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

@pantherj @Catsfan69 @JawnyBlaze @Brooklyn 3.0 @Fox007 @Camp Fodder @4Corners

After 2 weeks Foreman has rushed over 100 yds in each game.  Still think he's trash, too old, garbage?

The guy is a beast.

Here's a nice plate of crow. 

Wut. I never said he was trash, too old or garbage. I said I didn’t think he was a good permanent starter and I already admitted my error yesterday

Yea that was an incredible pass for sure. Cam has done it, I’m sure Josh Allen could do it. Aaron Rodgers probably. Stafford in his prime. That’s about all I can think of among active QBs. 

16 minutes ago, Tr3ach said:

He was running around in the endzone with his helmet off after being in on the touchdown play.  How is that not the field of play?   

He took his helmet off out of bounds out the back of the end zone. The rule doesn’t say he can’t be in the field of play without a helmet. That happens often when players run onto the field from the side line.  The rule explicitly specifies the act of removing the helmet is the penalty, not being helmetless. 

7 minutes ago, KSpan said:

Diggs took his helmet off after he scored just like Moore and just like Cam last year. From the NFL rule book, screenshot below, this is a penalty, full stop. You are wrong.

You’re conveniently leaving out the critical part of what you yourself are even presenting. It says “in the end zone”. Moore wasn’t in the end zone. Diggs was. Moore was out of bounds (aka out of the field of play) when he took his helmet off. Full stop. Not a penalty. 

5 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

I think that was Wilkes more then Mcadoo.. JMO 

I think was trying to establish a attitude of running the ball no matter what and developing trust in PJ..

Probably. Was still soul crushingly bad though lol

It’s definitely better the past two games. His first post-Rhule game may have been the worst OC’d game I’ve ever seen. Even worse than Shula

33 minutes ago, KSpan said:

It absolutely was a penalty and always has been since the rule was instituted. Hell, They even flagged Diggs for throwing his helmet after the Minnesota miracle vs the Saints but picked it up given the circumstances.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/01/15/stefon-diggs-helmet-throw-would-have-mattered-only-if-time-was-left-on-the-clock/

However, this article also states that the penalty would apply to the kickoff rather than the extra point try and that was my understanding as well, so the rule was either misapplied or the article was wrong. 

Diggs was in the field of play. DJ wasn’t. That simple. 

20 minutes ago, Rocky Davis said:

@JawnyBlazehe did remove his helmet outside the field of play, but then came back onto the field with it off celebrating with his teammates.  You know these refs aren't giving a team like the Panthers any benefit of the doubt and were more than happy to throw that flag.

It was a mistake by DJ, but it didn't cost us the game.  We had other plays/opportunities to win and didn't cash in.  Don't die on this hill bruh.

There’s no rule against coming onto the field of play without a helmet to celebrate. By the letter of the rules, he did nothing wrong. You could argue he broke the spirit of the rule but that standard is never applied in the other direction, shouldn’t have today. Not to mention taking the helmet off is rarely penalized anyway. 

18 minutes ago, Tr3ach said:

Sure.  Do you think he would have missed a regular xp though?  Also if he had hit the xp and it had been to tie instead of win do you think he would have been in the same mental state on the ot kick?   Hes a backup kicker that we signed off the streets.  Hes been solid, bad day to have a bad day may cost him his pro career. 

The OT kick was the same distance as an extra point

1 hour ago, Dragoon11 said:

I get it TECHNICALLY... but the league needs to understand that this is the NFL with grown ass men. And, plays like this do not happen very often... how can Moore not be very emotional, who wouldn't be? I think the NFL should make some of these instances judgement calls. If you are up by 21 points and do that, yes, I understand the call. But, this was a game winning catch in the final seconds of the game, let those guys enjoy the moment.

That being said, I do wish DJ had not jumped up on the wall... you ARE in Atlanta, not at home. Of course it's going to get the refs attention. I get it that the rules are the rules, but a call like that should not be able to affect the outcome of the game. Maybe penalize the call during the kickoff, not the XP. IDK, it's not a perfect world, whatever... just sucks how we lost today. One of most heartbreaking I can remember in a while. Panthers had 1st place IN THE BAG!

Technically, it wasn’t a penalty. It was an incorrect application of (h):

1 hour ago, Tr3ach said:

It was definitely a penalty.  People saying he took his helmet off off the field of play are right technically he was in the back of the endzone but then he instantly came back on the field without his helmet on.

Coming onto the field without a helmet on to celebrate isn’t a penalty. Happens all the time. 

2 minutes ago, top dawg said:

He can't do that. He even said so himself. People need to stop making excuses for him. He's accepted his responsibility. He's right. I respect him for admitting the obvious. He won't do that again, right or wrong or not.

Doesn’t matter what he said, he’d get fined if he spoke the truth about it anyway. It wasn’t a penalty, end of discussion. 

(h) clearly specifies in the field of play, which DJ wasn’t. Nowhere does it say they can’t come onto the field of play without a helmet to celebrate, so when DJ came back into the end zone wasnt a penalty either. 

Just now, Panthercougar68 said:

If this were a NFC east match up no one would have been flagged 

I’d bet anything you’re right.