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19 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I was saying this same stuff about Bryce pre-draft when everyone was calling me crazy for it. Oh, he's the consensus QB1. Oh yeah, you know so much more than the professional evaluators. Yadda, yadda, yadda.

Well, what about now?

All of these deficiencies were plainly obvious in his college play. You keep pointing to his college play and draft evaluations. I was saying the same damn thing back then. I can't help that all the talking heads and Panthers brass got it wrong and you still cling to their wrong opinions.

You were wrong then and you are still wrong now. 
 

There has been nothing from Bryce’s play this year that shows me he can’t throw the ball, make the reads, or survive the hits.

When your overall team is dog poo the tape is going to look bad on everyone. This year, week in week out we saw the oline giving up huge pressure almost every play, receivers failing to get separation/giving up on routes, and the scheme failing to address protection issues/develop a good gameplan with the pieces we had. 
 

Not to mention 9 starting guards this year. That is an unfair situation to evaluate a rookie QB but you have folks like you ready to spike the football and “stop the count! I was right all along” 

Thats brain dead, negative IQ, don’t know ball takes. It’s a shame this website would rather poo on this kid than do the extra brain power it’s takes to rationally see this situation was awful. Your takes are devoid of any context about this year and it shows plainly. You’d rather be “right” 

29 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I watched him play, man. I said pre-draft that his arm was NFL average at best and likely below average. Do you still trust the pros' evaluation of past busts? Once you're in the league you draft evaluations and draft status no longer matters. It's about your performance in the NFL.  Bryce is really struggling and his lack of arm talent is playing a major role in their struggles. But keep coping if you must.

Seems like this board is group think. It’s cope this cope that. 
 

it’s not cope to understand that the situation plays the majority in how these kids look. Our situation was all time bad. That plays such a big factor it cannot be dismissed. This kid still has all the talent that was that was evaluated when he was in college. 

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

His college tape no longer matters. His erroneous draft evaluations no longer matters. Our idiotic decision to trade up and draft him #1 no longer matters. We've seen him play 16 NFL games and we've watched his SUBPAR arm float dying ducks all over the field.

This is a brain dead take. The tape on his arm strength and the professionals that spent months to years evaluating the tape aren’t irrelevant. Bryce’s arm strength didn’t deteriorate in less than a year when he left college .

Use your head. Did Bryce suddenly get worse and all the draft evaluation about his arm become wrong? OR did the surrounding situation he was placed in no highlight the skill and talent that is still there? 
 

I’m sorry but I’m going to trust the pros evaluations vs some guy on the internet who “watches the games” apparently you don’t watch a lot because you seem to disregard the poo show that was the oline, receivers, run game, and scheme last year. 

1 hour ago, Cary Kollins said:

 

I see people say it both ways commonly. I stand corrected! @LinvilleGorge please continue using that saying as you wish

I always saw it like this .

the right side - 30 -  the wrong side 

Anything under 30 is the right side of 30. Anything over is the wrong side. It generally means you are older and your best years are behind you. 
 

But to the point I still don’t agree with Linvilles assessment of Diggs. Mike Evans is 30 and still produces at a high level. We let go of a 30+ year old Steve Smith and he had a 1000 yard plus season in Baltimore. 
 

I think Diggs still has solid years ahead of him. I just don’t think the team pairing makes the most sense. 

22 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

You can do all the coping you want to do but it doesn't change the reality that Bryce's arm limits the passes he can attempt vs. other NFL QBs.

Yes, his arm strength is absolutely 100% subpar for an NFL QB. 

It isn’t. You have a misunderstanding of what average vs subpar is. Subpar means he wouldn’t have been able to make it to the NFL let alone be drafted number 1. 
 

10 minutes ago, GhostOfDocAnderson said:

 

No, he didn't. If you want to give Bryce a participation trophy, be my guest.  

By the way, were you even alive back in 03? I bet you were but a glint in the milkman's eye back in 2003.

 

 

Are you being obtuse? 
 

35-36 yard line. wtf are you looking at? 

17 minutes ago, GhostOfDocAnderson said:

No he didn't throw it from the 35 yard line. I don't know how you all measure distance in Alabama, but for the rest of the country, that ball traveled less than 60 yards in the air. Any NFL starting QB and backups and most any third-stringers and UDFAs can make that throw without looking like he's about to tear off his rotator cuff in the process. 

Did you just start following the NFL this year because Bryce is your favorite QB at Alabama? Bryce may be the best thing to have ever happened in Tuscaloosa to you, but the NFL is a grown men's league, son!

 

get glasses kid. He throws it from the 35 yard line and hits his receiver at the 5. 
 

Only haters can watch this throw and find some bullshit to spew its crazy. 
 

I’ve been a fan of this team since 03, unlike you I actually root for my teams players instead of baselessly trashing them. 

3 hours ago, Paa Langfart said:

 

 

Bryce will never be able to do this

https://youtu.be/kSVC7_8OmV0?t=13

Why do you think Bryce couldn’t hit a wide open receiver? Tf

Just now, csx said:

It was a great throw but one throw any nfl qb should be able to make. It doesn't change anything else about his physical limitations.

Cool so we agree Bryce has an NFL caliber arm and can make the deep throws a NFL qb should make? 
 

thank you for agreeing. That’s the point of this thread. You have folks like this CRA fella and this LinvilleGorge guy that are saying it’s “subpar” “can’t make all the throws” etc. 

simply not true. 
 

Just now, GhostOfDocAnderson said:

 

Bruh, that's less than 60 yards in the air, and just look at how much effort he had to put into that throw, it was almost as if he was an Olympic javelin thrower and had to heave his entire body to throw the ball less than 60 yards. Bryce doesn't have an NFL arm, and thank you for proving that. 

He threw that ball from the 35 yard line and dropped it into a bucket at the 5. 
 

How can you look at that throw and talk poo? Do you understand what you are watching?

1 hour ago, frankw said:

Also you're definitely poundaway.

Alright lil bro I’m adding you to ignore along with that clown guy. Not every one who believes in Bryce is another user on a new account. You can choose to believe that or not idc. But you just derail any real discussion at this point. 

20 minutes ago, CRA said:

I think there are some clear issues his size is going to cause in terms of his ability to sit in the pocket and make the throws at this level.   It's not college.  I really think his vision gets obstructed on certain plays/routes.....which is going to cause him to not sit/stand where ideally a NFL QB would be on certain plays.  Which is why he often would miss a wide open check down.  Couldn't see it. 

he doesn't have the arm strength to make all the throws you want to see at this level.  That's no really debatable.  Windows are much smaller and tougher at this level.  Ball has to get there quicker than college and often you aren't going to be able to setup for every throw (which he needs to).  Technically he can make the throw, certain throws are going to be invitations for picks though.  We saw that often last season with some of the tougher throws on an arm. 

I mean, if we are going to compare him to his peers and ideal NFL play....he doesn't have the arm to make the plays others can.  He just doesn't.   Can you still win with it? Sure.  We have seen QBs still play at a high level when their arms strength goes away.  But that ideally should not be where you start off. 

I mean we have NFL tape of him sitting in the pocket to deliver a throw. We know he can do it. That isn’t even a question. 
 

You don’t need a rocket arm to play in the NFL. It’s a perk but it isn’t the end all be all.   You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the phrase “has enough arm to make all the NFL throws”

You think like means the crazy rifle it into a tight window. Thats not what it means. It means being able to throw all the routes a WR is going to run with enough strength and velocity to make sure it gets there on time. It’s unquestionable Bryce has the arm strength required to be a QB in the league. 
 

He doesn’t have the rocket arm but neither did manning, Bree’s, or Brady. Their arm strength wasn’t what made them good. 
 

And after watching cam play for years we should all know Cam rifling in every pass as a fast ball wasn’t good. It led to ALOT of tip drill int’s and him missing on short throws. 
 

48 minutes ago, frankw said:

Nobody even quoted you.

Some are saying he's basically bottom 20. That's average at best.

Follow along.

Show me any quotes of saying he’s a BOTTOM 20 receiver? 
 

I said he is TOP 20 at best which is accurate. Hes in the Mclaurin tier of receiver. A quality to high end starter but not a true top 5 guy in the league. 

31 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

He was top 10 in yards with Fields throwing the ball on a team that was bottom five in the league in passing attempts.  With Mahomes or Allen throwing it, I have no doubt he would move into the top five.

For him to move into top 5 you’d have to say he’s better than one of Jefferson, Hill, Chase, Cupp, And Adams. 
 
He isn’t anywhere close to them.

12 minutes ago, KSpan said:

No, at this point he can't - it's not who he is as a player. When he winds up and puts all of his body into it he can get some velocity and a bit of distance, but downfield the accuracy goes away entirely. Anyone who watches this past season and still argues arm strength as anything above bottom-tier at the NFL level as of right now is deluding themselves.

There is a lot of trash about Bryce’s arm here. Let’s not forget CAN sling it. 
 

He doesn’t have a Josh Allen rocket arm. He doesn’t need it. 
 

He has all the arm strength needed to be successful. What he needs is a pocket he can actually step up in and receivers who can get separation. 

54 minutes ago, Thorrez said:

True, I missed that 2024 was voidable.

He gone 

Yeah I think the feeling is mutual that it’s best to part ways. 

16 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

I don't think so. Dan is not a bad coach and Washington could have done much worse.  But like all coaches it will depend on his drafting prowess and his assistant coaches choices. I hope he kicks Dallas's ass twice a year.

Dan isn’t gonna be drafting. Peters is. So maybe he gets lucky there and he will have talent to work with but as it stands right now their roster is depleted and there is no guarantee that Maye is sure fire. The bust rate on QBs taken 2 overall is bad. 

7 hours ago, SOJA said:

this is fair.

I'd put tier one WRs as: Hill, Cupp, Jefferson, Chase, Adams, AJ Brown

Tier 2: CeeDee, Stefon Diggs, aiyuk, Samuel, Armon Ra St. Brown, Mike Evans, Keenan Allen 

Tiet 3: Moore, Mclaurin, DK Metcalf, Jaylen Waddle, Godwin, Locket, Puka, Wilson, Olave, D. Smith, Tee Higgins, Mike Williams, Pittman

 

TBH there are a TON of good WR's in the NFL right now, any of the above names would be an instant upgrade for us by a multitude of factors lmao

 

I agree with everything except I think St. Brown and Lamb are tier 1. This year did a lot to propel them. 

3 hours ago, DJ feed me moore said:

lol names all the white guys.

It has nothing to do with them being white. Weird comment. 

6 minutes ago, fanpanther said:

So Adam Theilen was the 5th best at getting open in the entire nfl pretty impressive.

This graph is specifically against single man coverage looks. 

2 minutes ago, jamos14 said:

He's not a player who pushes the lines or anything.  But everything about him is tough and setting the tone for the defense.

 

Opposite of Brian.

When you compare Burns to his peers there is a stark contrast. I want the Crosby, Hutchinson, Watt, Bosa types. The hungry animals that are in on every play, super high motor, constant disruption 

2 minutes ago, Thorrez said:

Chark has a smart agent, all his cap next year is already payed so we save exactly $0 if we cut him.

So he stays, and we hope he can be a decent number four.

He signed a one year deal no?

3 minutes ago, X-Clown said:

This is so true. On the Super Bowl teams, the 49ers drafted Deebo and Aiyuk in round 2, same for the Chiefs and Rashee Rice. These are impact players and we end up with the TMJs of the world in the 2nd 

KB, Lafell, Funchess, Samuel, TMJ, Mingo.

all 1st through 3rd round picks. All meh to bad. It’s been rough for us getting good WRs. 
 

1 minute ago, t96 said:

Tepper should use his massive wallet to try to steal the Steelers' WR scouts/coaches away from them

I mean this honestly isn’t a bad idea. Obviously we can’t overhaul the scouting dept this close to the draft but after? I’d start poaching scouts from the 9ers, ravens, Packers, Steelers, and maybe Detroit and build out a competent scouting department.