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27 minutes ago, UpstatePantherfan said:

Say what you will about PJ, and this will be very unpopular, but same exact situation yesterday in the final minute of the game, Cam wouldn’t have come through clutch like that. I can maybe remember one or two times at most Cam 100% won a game for us in the final minute or so like PJ almost did yesterday. 
 

Don’t get it twisted, Cam is obviously the better QB for sure, but he definitely lacked that clutchness we saw from PJ yesterday 

Not sure how you can say that, there's no way to know if Cam would have completed that pass.  In his prime he certainly had the arm.  We do know that Cam definitely had some amazing moments.  First that come to mind are the 2015 wins @Seattle (will never forget that Olsen TD!) and the amazing drive @NO to take the lead and remain undefeated.  There were many more, these two just came to mind first.  Why do we need to subtract from Cam to uplift PJ though?  

Other than that, PJ did win the game for us.  He may have won the game on the previous drive as well if DJ hangs on.  There was nothing further PJ could do, he did his job to the tune of the longest completed air pass in next gen stats history.  Coaching took the ball out of his hands after the OT turnover which I thought was a huge mistake.  Putting the game on a kicker who just missed vs. the QB that just put the team on his back.  

PJ has won me over.  Wanted him gone after the Rams game.  Tampa and Atlanta have completely changed my perception.  He's played really well.  That pick 6 was an insane defensive play.  He was barely missing on some first half throws yesterday.  I want to see more, it definitely feels like his ceiling is quite a bit higher atm.  Subject to further evaluation as the league gets more tape on him.

22 minutes ago, Gerry Green said:

 

Good plays are contagious. And the inverse is also true. Good teams make fewer mistakes, and in a game that is usually close, that can mean the difference between winning, and losing.

 

CJ is playing far better than last year. But every little mistake gets taken out of context and over-blown. It's just what fans do.

Quality of play leads to accountability IMO and that definitely snowballs either direction.

Hard to say.  This team was robbed in the Cleveland game and could have quite easily won the Giants game as well.  As terrible as the season has been we're a couple bounces away from a 4-3 record instead of 2-5.  

Win or lose, we'll be able to put the Bucs game in better context after this Sunday.  

Just now, SCO96 said:

Good point. Unfortunately, too many QB's coming out of college and picked in the first round are not true "franchise quarterbacks". They just happen to be the best of the group coming out in a particular year. The bust rate for first round QB's is quite high.

Same thing with defensive players.  Some guys are solid, but are not so dominant that they make everyone around them better. Shaq Thompson, Derrick Brown, and Vernon Butler were all first round picks. Derrick is showing signs of improvement this season, but so far none of those guy have significantly elevated the play of others when they are on the field.

Yeah, I'm in no way saying that we're a lock to benefit from this process.  In fact, I'd agree the odds aren't all that favorable.  Simply saying that when you do hit a single player can count for more than 1, in fact quite a bit more than 1.  The Panthers are clearly trying to give themselves the best chance to get the best player next year.  If we hit on coaching and draft it opens a fairly large window, if we miss then we're the Browns/Jets/Jaguars of the last decade.

4 hours ago, Scum of the Turf said:

I don’t believe in tanking in the nfl.  Only the nba. 1 player in the draft to be a starter in the nba s 20% of yur starting rotation.  Getting a player in the nfl draft gets u 1/22 starter in the nfl.  It’s more about culture in the nfl.  Winning begats winning , losing begats losing. Tanking in the nfl, especially in wk 7, kills the fans, the players , and the organization .  And makes the owner look worse than he does.  So this better work ! 

I get your point but not all 22 starters are equal.  A franchise QB can immediately elevate the players around him.  Disruptive defensive players can elevate the play of others.  In this way the synergy a high quality player contributes adds up to more than a singular influence.

Happy for CMC, he deserved better.

Nope.  Brown, Horn, Chinn and Icky are untouchable.  

Pretty sure everyone knows we're going to trade draft picks to bring in a veteran at RB.  It's the Panthers way.

Watching college football just got a lot more serious for me.  

Shaq and Burns can go.  Brown, Horn, Luvu and Chinn are the building blocks on defense.  
 

We also have the second most important offensive position covered with Icky IMO.  Everyone else on the offensive side could go for the right price.

We need to accept that this year and next year is about acquiring young talent and the right coaching staff.  The rebuild is on and if we half cook it then it’s gonna be another decade before we have a chance to contend.  

We are 1-12 in our last 13 games.  The only win came against Jameis Winston playing with a broken back, and just barely.

12 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

Can you imagine what the pundits and Huddlers would do if Sam (or even Eason for that matter) got hot and led us to a 9-2 or 8-3 finish and we somehow sneek into the playoffs? 

This is the same imagination process I use with a lottery ticket. 

41 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

But the real question is, will they allow him to throw beyond the LOS?

The real question is do we have a play design beyond the LOS?

Superb owl!

I don't think any of our receivers have made a clear case to be labeled #2.  Laviska will be in the mix as well.

16 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

To think that you called him a massive bust after week 1 is ridiculous 

Huh?  You've confused me with someone else.  

Icky is the real deal.

RA is very narcissistic.  Every time this dude speaks it seems he's trying to control other's action or force his opinion on them.  Telling fans what to do, yelling at his coach, going off on Stew.  This guy is unhinged if he can't see that his actions Sunday deviate from the accepted conduct of professionals by a wide margin.  Of course people are going to talk  about it.  So glad he is someone else's problem now. 

If the opposing defense left the field it'd still take the Panthers 3 plays to score.  They'd pass it incomplete twice before figuring out they could just run it in.

17 minutes ago, CRA said:

I mean, not CMC.  Andy Reid hasn't known what to do with a RB his entire coaching career. 

Shady McCoy had some very productive years under Reid.

2 hours ago, Jmac said:

By the time the Panthers become a constant contender he will be worn down to a nub at the rate he is going.

We've never been a constant contender, have no reason to believe we're on that track either.  In fact the evidence suggests we're on a path of continuous failure.

To answer the original question....I'm fine with seeing CMC on a contender, he deserves better.  

This team is dildos.

3 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

 

OmegaLOL.  Just missing Cam in his prime.