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1 hour ago, TANTRIC-NINJA said:

Hardy flashed in year one and two. YGM has been mostly forgettable. 

Hardy was also a gunner on Special Teams right? Or did I dream this?

No he was a gunner in his 2nd year I believe.  He had enough speed and physical talent to do that. 

YGM is not that kind of athlete and I think we would just be better off letting him go to another team when he fit better.  Because it sure ain't here.

5 hours ago, thefuzz said:

I cannot disagree more on the Luke thing.  You need to go back and look at his athletic profile coming out.

He was a complete freak show.

Luke had very good combine numbers.  I think he ran 4.58 and I don't remember his other numbers but I am sure they were equally good.   Not great.

You look at a Barno at DE and he ran sub 4.4 and Samuels ran like 4.31 and Jenkins ran like sub 5.0 at 310 or 315.  Those are outstanding numbers no only for there position but for any position.  As a team we have drafted some freak athletes.

Luke was a better football player and it's not even close but he was not the athlete those guys were

Based on talent a guy like Lamar Latham, or Peppers should be at the top and Luke should not even be on the list.

Mark Fields was more physically talented than Luke ever was but Fields wasn't half the player Luke was.  It's hard to make a list like that.

The Saints had to go DL hard they lost 3 starters in the offseason.  The only player that will be there from last year is Jordan and he is 35.

I don't get the whole "Young is the Mahomes light" idea.  Mahomes is a purple unicorn.  He can run around all over the place get hit and still make perfect throws because he has an arm that maybe only 1 other guy in the NFL has right now.  It's a cannon.  Young has no where near that kind of arm.  The main reason that Mahomes can make those is because he has that arm.  Young does not have anywhere near that kind of arm, it's not a bad arm it is just average, and people think he is going to be able to do the same things.  

When Young reads the defense and throws on time he is as good as any QB in this class but when he makes plays off schedule he looks great,  in college.  What happens when he can't make off schedule plays in the NFL.  He will still be good but he won't be what everyone thinks he is now. 

If he was his size and had a Allen/Mahomes arm I could see him making those off schedule plays in the NFL.  Or if he was 215 lb and had his current arm strength I could see him doing it.  But at his size and his arm strength I just don't see it.

7 hours ago, The Huddler said:

maybe now that hes an old sack of potatoes 

Wilson weighted 205 - 210 when he came into the league.  Bryce Young. according to reports, played at 185 - 190 last year

Definitely Cox.  No one could withstand a combination of Cox Burns.

20 hours ago, PanthersFan1234 said:

49ers are dumbasses, 49ers could have him for free! 

Not if he wanted to sign somewhere else 

1 minute ago, ECHornet said:

Have you seen how long Caleb Williams holds onto the ball?

Again talking about the NFL not college.   You can do it in college.  The NFL is another animal. 

21 minutes ago, tecc86 said:

You literally just described Russell Wilsons entire career

Except Wilson out weights Young by 25 to 30 lbs.

7 hours ago, amcoolio said:

Not worried about batted passes or height at all, but Young tends to hold on to the ball for a long time to make a bigger play, and it had a tendency to get him crushed a few times at Alabama. Whereas Stroud rarely takes hits becuase he wants the ball out fast

This is pretty much my only problem with Young.  Young never wants to give up on plays and holds the ball forever.  It worked in college, ask Manziel how it will work in the NFL.  Not saying Young is Manziel, because he is 10x better at least, but you have to get rid of the ball in the NFL and can't make a living off broken plays. 

Jay Cutler was alot of things but a bust was not one of them.  A guy who started for 12 years and threw for over 35,000 yards is not a bust.

20 hours ago, ColumbusCounty said:

Another LB would be cool but Im thinking we need to key in on 2 glaring spots that are paper thin...

CB and WR. 

With healthy corners we would have won the division imo. And as much as I LOVE Jaycee, he's not even a half season guarantee. Jackson isnt either. I dont repeat that next year. We shouldn't ever wanna see Taylor & Henderson starting in tandem again unless some serious strides are made. We could probably get by with one but if both our starters go down it's a wrap. 

We need that receiver on the books or 2 possibly. 

I'd take Jack on this roster though, I think the above is more pressing but he'd be an improvement to whoever he replaced here. But if we signed him I got a feeling it would probably be on one of the more rare 1 year contracts we've given. And Idunno what our cap looks like in realtime but I'm assuming the 2023 slot is almost maxed out. 

 

LB and QB are the 2 thinnest spots on the team.  QB we get with pick #1.  Who is our other LB in the middle in a 3-4.  Chinn? Maybe at 230 lbs at most? Shaq can never get hurt again and then pray a lot.

35 minutes ago, Smithers said:

Yep.  Could be even less depending on who is sent to the PS.  Several PS candidates are making 1M this year.  That would raise the threshold for the top 51.  

The practice squad is not established until the season starts when all 53 players count against the cap.  And every player on the practice squad makes the same I think.  It's like 150 or 160 k or something like that.

And all thoes guy count toward the cap as well

8 minutes ago, Smithers said:

Right now our top 51 cutoff is 870k.  So essentially that round 5 pick won’t count against the cap. 

And the bottom 4th pick only cost 20 k against the cap.  So draft will probably only cost 8 or 9 million against the cap.

2 hours ago, Moorgan said:

It looks like we will need 12.6 million for the draft. Factoring that in, we don’t have much available without knowing the Shaq numbers. But certainly still enough to get someone.

We don't need 12.6 million for our rookies.  During the offseason only the top 51 players count toward the cap.  So every time you add someone you take the lowest guy off.  On every team the lowest guy can be different so the rookie pool that all these site quotes never takes that into account.  But if our lowest guy was 800,000 the first pick would count toward the cap in the amount of 7,449,000 - 800,000.  In the offseason that is how the cap works.

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

I think Luvu starts over Haynes

Luvu was an OLB in a 3-4 with the Jets and started some games there.  I think he is better than Haynes and starts there too.

Comparing Richardson to Cam isn't really a thing you can do in college.  Cam took a team that had 1 guy that played for more than 5 years in the NFL besides him ( and he was a D lineman) and won a national championship and the Heisman.  In the SEC and never lost a game.

Richardson took a team with about the same talent level, maybe a little more, and went 6-6.  The size, speed, arm strength and everything else can't make up for that.

I was at the Arkansas vs. Auburn game and the final score was like 60 - 40.  I think Auburn could have scored 100 if they did not think they had the game won like 3 times before the end.  That was Cam.  Right now that is not Anthony Richardson.

In 2015I thought 2014 might be the best draft we ever had.  With KB, Turner, Norwell, Ealy, Boston all looking like good players if not stars.  How does it look now?  Are any of them still in the NFL 

3 hours ago, Mother Grabber said:

to have Elflein and Bozeman separated by only 2.2 points shows how useless these stats are

If you really watch Bozeman play, he is a great run blocker and an average to bad pass blocker.  Elflein is just the opposite.  Now if we could just make the two into one player that would be Ryan Kalil and we would be set.

2 hours ago, Gregg S said:

 

I was there, too, but can't remember if it was Monday or Thursday night.  The one image imprinted on my brain, though, is JStew planting Ronde Barber into the BOA turf with one of the nastiest stiff-arms I've ever seen..

It was a Monday night game.  Late in the season to maybe week 14 or 15

2 hours ago, CPcavedweller said:

Who talks about 2015 like it was yesterday? How old are you? 7 years isn't really all that long, honestly.

In football years it's like a generation.  How many guys from that 2015 team are still in the NFL. Not on the Panthers, just still playing in the NFL.  Just FYI it's less than half.

If this was 2016 I would be ecstatic.  Now .... whatever 

Doesn't the Browns have our 5th round pick for Baker?  I  am not sure if that is right

1 hour ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Everything I hear about Wilkes's character makes me want him as a coach. I maintain reservations about a conservative coaching style that takes too few chances and ultimately becomes self defeating from predictability despite highly motivated players. We have seen that show already with Fox and Rivera.  I tend to lean towards those who say if we keep Wilkes, Tepper should insist that he be paired with an innovative offensive mind, but if your HC and OC aren't on the same page, that can also be problematic.

My long term concern is that like Fox and Rivera, Wilkes proves to be a coach who can return us to respectability, but not lead us to the promised land.  I think the reality is in any given coach hiring cycle, candidates like this represent most of the options at best. Thus I think baring the emergence of some wunderkind like candidate who fuses offensive innovation with these leadership characteristics, Wilkes should most likely be given the job.

Fox and Riveria both went to the playoffs multiple time and each one went to one Super Bowl.   If that is what we get from Wilks sign him up today.  

Just because you run the ball alot does not mean you are conservative.  When Wilks was the coordinator under Rivera we had the 2nd highest blitz rate in the league..  This year I  think we are 5th or 6th and Wilks has only coached 10 games.

You can still be creative and innovative and run the ball.  The 49ers have been doing it for years.  It"s more about what you concentrate on in the offseason and what you tell your coordinators you want to focus on and not just trying to be half ass at everything but be really good In one area.