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7 minutes ago, Captain Morgan said:

somewhat bizarre for the Panthers to be ahead of the curve

15 minutes ago, frankw said:

This is from 5 months ago. It was one or the other. Trade for one or draft one. We apparently called the Jets about Wilson. We also talked to the Seahawks about Metcalf. Drafting our own guy was the best course of action given the required investment. Regardless now is the time for Bryce Young to produce. We are fourth amongst all teams in cap spending on the OL. Back to back first round picks at WR and multiple young TE draft picks now. Very solid and respectable backfield. New pieces across the defense. The time is now.

Yep, homegrown is generally the way to go, especially in terms of the cap. I'm hoping---just hoping---that this will be our best receiving corps in a long time. We've certainly invested the draft capital.

25 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

4yr 130 mil 90 guaranteed for Wilson

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/45740901/sources-jets-wr-garrett-wilson-lands-4-year-130m-extension

Glad we didn't think of doing that...to be honest. The 90 mil is fair...I guess.

25 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I guess i have to add I am curious as well as to what Tepper has done that shows he has backed off.  Thats not a hard ask.  I guess I am in a holding pattern of what to believe until the wheels come off again.  Not saying thats going to happen but there is more data out there to suggest it will vs a turn around.

By several accounts, Tepper isn't as hardly as involved as he was. That's been the criticism: that he meddles. We didn't hear or see much from Tepper in the war room; he was basically trusting his team to do their thing without much participation as it pertained to wheeling and dealing. He is also saying the right things now, and, as evidenced by the formerly mentioned, following through.

Earlier this year in a discussion with Mike Kaye, Tepper referred to Morgan, Canales and Brandt as a an "excellent management team."

He also added, "We're just getting started, so we're just building through this year and...it's just building and building and building, and I think, you know, we'll build in the next few years."

Who cares if he paid for such small benefits out of his own pocket? The NCAA is a joke. They need to be offering such anyway, especially for Uber rides (which actually seems like a good idea).

To me, running the ball has always been important. Sure there have been outliers, but it's easier to win championships when you run with legitimacy. Like I've said in the past, don't get not wanting to pay RBs and not wanting to run the ball confused. 

As for playing under center, we'll see how that's going to work for Bryce. This is the year for him to convince the world that he's starter-material in today's NFL, and playing consistently under center is part of that, and it's really the only believable way to execute play-action. I will give him this though, he's not afraid to spread the ball around. We'll see what happens this season.

1 hour ago, CRA said:

There are zero indications that Tepper has learned patience.  He is running 2 professional sports teams and patience is not a trademark of anything he does. 

Tepper was ready to move on from Bryce Young last season after 2 games.  Injury altered that.  

the least shocking thing ever would be for Tepper to fire Dean Smith at the conclusion of this year w/ FC if this miss the postseason and Dan Morgan at the conclusion of this year if the WRs don't pan out this year.  

LOL @ zero indications. I could go over some indications, as I have in past threads, but you're not going to agree, and that's fine. Moreover, I'm not speaking to soccer. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

2 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I don't really care about your post at all. I just saw the direction of the discussion and this snippet from an article I read earlier in the day was a good spot to put non-Panthers info.

I mostly don't care about the players personal lives. That's off the field/personal poo. Not really any of my business. 

I also don't know him personally so what would be the point of congratulating him outside basically attempting to draw attention to myself like so many in the social media/internet realm.

 

I could make a strong argument that everyone who posts pretty much anything on social media is trying to draw some type of attention, but whatever, it's not that important. I'm sure that if he does see posts of congratulations that he appreciates it. 

21 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

If we are going to obsess over ex-Panthers, here is a good one from the ESPN poll of NFL execs and personnel guys, this is the outside top 10 list.

 

Just like CMC, he is who we thought he was.

It's amazing that so many people get fanboy syndrome for these guys assuming it is the team holding them back. That's the minority of the cases in our history. It's basically poker "bad beat" syndrome.

How soon we forget the reverse, all the guys we let go that tanked hard afterward.

"Fanboy syndrome" for wishing a guy well due to a new baby? Come on, Dude.

This conversation isn't even really about the team holding anybody back, and it was not even ostensibly about on-field play, injuries or even skills, but since some took it there, as an aside, it morphed into a side discussion about the FO being forthright in negotiations. If you're not going to extend my contract for whatever reasons, don't lead me to believe that you are. It's that simple. 

22 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I think if DC wins 5ish games this season he probably will get a chance to get his guy in but will be on a super short leash in 2026, which all things considered is pretty reasonable

I don't think that Tepper would put Canales on a short leash much less a super short one for 2026, in regards to QB that is. I get the feeling that Tepper is learning that patience is necessary in this game and that allowing DC to finally get his guy and put him on a super short leash that very year makes little sense and is a recipe for continued wheel spinning. He'd at least wait until 2027, with 2028 being the cutoff. This is not to say that if the entire team looks like sh¡t this season that Canales and Morgan won't be canned or on a short leash in 2026. That could be considered "reasonable."

Some of you guys already know this. I know you know, but you're trying to make CMC out to be a problem child. That's far from the truth. Why can't you say something like,"Good for Christian," or just don't say anything if you hate him that bad? We're supposed to be a smart fan base, right...? 

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

he didnt buy the house in 2020

he wasnt traded in 2022

 

whats the wrong part of my post?

It's not an "eternity," and plenty of NFL guys don't buy a spread like that unless they're trying to settle down roots. McCaffrey is not a dumb guy. Actually, the entire family seems smart if not practical. He wasn't out there flossing it up, he was planning to retire in Charlotte based upon what the FO was telling him and the vibes they were putting out. 

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

he bought the house in 2020 and was traded in 2022.  Thats an eternity in the nfl

No. Just no.

1 minute ago, rayzor said:

i don't know...i'm kind of done with him. if he retires and comes back here and hangs around, cool. if not. i don't know. he's playing for another team, if they're with another team, i got no use for them.  they are out of my orbit.

That's reasonable if that's how you decide to look at it. Me? He seemed like a cool enough guy (just like other NFLers), so it's nice to hear about them succeeding in life beyond football.

51 minutes ago, frankw said:

The FO made him the highest paid running back in league history the first go around before we even had a starting QB in place and he started getting nagging injuries from there.

This revisionist history that he was treated poorly here is outrageous.

We weren't talking about that. Any reasonable and honest fan knows that if they had told him straight-op that they were trading him, that he wouldn't bought that big mansion here. He wasn't mad about the money about his first contract, he was upset about the lies when it came time to renew.

On 2/10/2025 at 3:57 PM, frankw said:

If you're considering trading for a WR who you will then have to pay a boatload to you call up the Jets for Garrett Wilson. Deebo is not worth top money plus top compensation.

I ain't paying Garrett Wilson top money either. He'd get a step below top money at this point.           

Deebo shouldn't be in any conversation based on contract alone. 

I just don't know that having another receiver will bring the desired result, as much as it will muddy the picture as to who's starting. Bryce likes to spread the ball around, which is a good thing in my opinion, but there's only one ball. I mean, I certainly wouldn't cry about another receiver on a value deal, but I don't see it as a priority. 

13 hours ago, PantherChris said:

Unmm yeah Im looking for the quote were she said he hated to be here. Because your alt keeps saying she did, and acting like not wanting to be a part of that dumpster fire makes you a villain lol.

Here is the interview BTW she doesn't say that at all. 

https://www.audacy.com/espn1320/sports/nfl/lisa-mccaffrey-details-family-emotions-of-christians-trade

You won't find it. I listened to her interview and followed all that stuff. His attitude didn't begin changing until the very end, and that was because he perceived that the Panthers FO was putting him through unnecessary b.s. and basically lied to him. Some Huddlers just are trying to spin it (much like they did with Pep). McCaffrey bought a house and was planning to stay with the Panthers for the long term based upon Scott Fitterer's word...and then when the Panthers started changing their tune and stonewalling him to a degree, his attitude changed in the eleventh hour due to being jerked around. If he hates anything, it was the way that the FO treated him.

13 hours ago, PantherChris said:

Thank you captain obvious 

I mean, people can rate Bryce how they want. I didn't know everyone was rating him the same as me...

38 minutes ago, t96 said:

Lol I actually don't have much hope for the team this season. I think the D will be a mess and Bryce will suck again. Hopefully I'm extremely wrong on both of those counts but I don't think OL and skill group strengths will be enough for the team results to show up. I do think it's possible we're on the right track in building this team up, but I suspect we'll need a new QB and just more time to add young talent to the D.

If Bryce sucks, 2025 is going to be a long season. I saw enough during the latter part of last year, and I think Bryce is smart enough to and works hard enough, that I'll give him a 5.5 to 6 out of ten on my confidence meter (and trending up). I hope that he continues to move that needle up in September.

11 hours ago, Camp Fodder said:

We have the number 1 corner listed. How are we last?

This was just corner rankings, and not necessarily group rankings. I'm not sure how it will all fall, but It would be nice to sign one more corner.

10 hours ago, SOJA said:

yea the best part about bryce is we haven't paid him yet 

5 hours ago, Davidson Deac II said:

There is no lógic involved

Now now now, I wouldn't say there is no logic, but there's just not a lot of in-depth thought put into Barnwell's  "analysis." Now to be fair to him (and other national writers), pre-season team rankings are basically clickbait. And...Barnwell, himself, said that "there's a lot of projection here." He basically admits that he doesn't know how the hell things are going to turn out with our receiver group. He also said that "I find myself" more intrigued by Coker than Legette; that does not mean that he said that fans should be, or that Coker will even be better than Legette (regardless of ESPN's per-route-run stat). So, yeah, Barnwell said some things, but even he has to basically admit that he doesn't know how bad or good that our playmakers will be in 2025. 

Overall, what Barnwell is basically thinking is that the Panthers have gotten worse at the offensive skill positions, and baked into that is that others have gotten better. That's the argument in July (meaning, please don't give this any more weight than it's due). I would personally be surprised (not shocked) if we end up worse than the Titans, Pats and Giants at least. Once you throw in the Bills, Giants, Jets, Steelers, and even the Chargers, I personally think there are several teams' skill groups that may end up ranked lower than ours by the end of 2025. 

@kungfoodudeis one of my dudes, but like others he is over the tipping point. He's had enough. Seeing is believing. I will say this though: Barnwell's piece is less about logic than just good ol' opinion. And to be honest, he might as well be a Huddler throwing out sh¡t in the summer based upon nothing but good feels or bad feels. 

Our offense as a whole (just like any other team's) is going to depend upon the play of the O-line and especially the QB. How you can even rank the skill positions without expressly baking those two things in the cake is beyond me. I would dare say that that's not even logical. 

1 hour ago, CanadianCat said:

Got to love these reporters and believe everything they say... 

That kind of buttresses the argument that he was simply dealing in generalities, at best really, and doesn't understand the nuances of the Panthers.

I mean, honestly, how difficult is it to get the round correct these days? It's indicative of sloppy and lazy journalism.

8 minutes ago, Basbear said:

XL treatment is in the top 5 What The Fuccks for the the huddle. It just happens that the 32nd team and 33rd team GMs knew each other very well. Panthers viewed the 5th year option as being worth a late 6th and a trade was made to make XL a 1st rounder. 

He had injuries in OTAs, mini camp and TC. Like others had more injuries in season and just kept playing. Half the season was bad BY and dalton. He still had 500 yds, 5 TDs, and like 45 recs. 

Just super weird the treatment. BTW people love to focus on the bad plays, but there was only one WR that caught a TD on the AP NFL Defensive Player of the Year, can you guess who that was??

By many accounts the Pats wanted XL badly and had to select Polk instead, there's strong rumors that Polk is either going to be cut or traded for a 2078 7th rounder. Panthers could have easily been in this situation if not for the Bills allowing the trade up. It pays to have friends....

I feel XL will force some fans to plates of raccoon as he develops. (please stay healthy)

2078 7th?