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It's kind of funny.. .matt Rhule was the most consistent HC we ever had.

The question is how does a team on that kind of rollercoaster ride answer a 2 win season?

3 minutes ago, Shocker said:

Ladd is injury prone and undersized.  Don’t dial in on a player without understanding what he can be in the league.  Pearshall is probably a better player.

If Keon Coleman drops he should be the pick.  There is no doubt in my mind he was better on the field than Ladd

Could be. I don't think Ladd is undersized more than Pearsall. Worthy is undersized because he's rail thin, but it's all what you are looking at/for. 

But honestly I like all these guys so much that it's hard for me to rank any of them. The next dozen or so after those first four I'm going to be excited about. I love Keon and Leggette because they are big beasts who just take the ball. Ladd and Pearsall and AD Mitchell because they got the moves, the routes, the separation, and the hands. Gimme Worthy, gimme Malik Washington, gimme Javin Baker. I'll take them all and finally feel good watching receivers again.

10 hours ago, electro's horse said:

Morgan hasn’t made a bad move yet. 

He even managed to make a chicken salad sandwich out of a chicken poo situation Fitts left with Burns.

Just now, Shocker said:

I agree it’s all a gamble.  30% hit is normal in round 2.  I am not looking for perfect WRs.  My point is this team should be taking the best players available.  These WRs in our range have serious questions.  Name 1 and I can explain why

I know there are questions. I just don't think that they are enough to skip over. Ladd has had some health issues. You take him in the 2nd anyway. Leggette is raw and improven, you take him anyways. The talent is just too strong and it's unlikely that we will run into a class with this much talent and potential anytime soon.

You swing when you have opportunities like this because they don't come around very often. One of our greatest needs coincide with the greatest depth we've seen at WR in who knows how long. We'd be foolish to come up with reasons for not swinging.

But this whole draft class is just so talented and deep I some areas that ther will be nonWR talent falling that we should also grab.

Whatever the case, however it falls, we should still walk away with at least 2 WRs. Not necessarily in the 2nd round, but if a 2nd run starts at the end of the 1st round, we'd better be ready to swing and then take advantage of the other talent that falls through later.

2 hours ago, jfra78 said:

Only because I think we can get him at 39

If you've got 5 WRs you want to take at 33 and then you've got one specific guy like Payton that you're hoping or feel like he should be there at 39...you take Payton at 33 and pick your best WR at 39.

12 minutes ago, Shocker said:

How is this post dramatic?  Give me a player outside of the top 4 WRs that doesn’t have a major question mark?

I think we have different opinions about what a major question mark is.

I'll just say that I wouldn't have an issue taking any of the top 12-15 WRs. Any other year most of these guys would be going a round or two earlier than where they are predicted to go.

Maybe you're looking for the perfect WR that doesn't have anything to work on or who has never been injured. I just expect all of them to be rookies who have a lot to learn and prove.

But I'll be happy to take any of these guys and if we have to take one or two that have some areas that could be considered worrisome, so be it.

It's all a gamble. They're all a gamble. But you're guaranteed not to win if you don't take risks on uncertainty.

I'm not saying it's going to happen or to expect it even, but be ready for it and also be ready for 1) someone to fall that wasn't expected that we can get and take advantage of and 2) us to draft a WR earlier than what most mock/draftnik boards had them at.

Doing that doesn't mean failure, btw.

Drafts don't necessarily abide by the boards of mockers and draftniks. The draft is or can be a very unpredictable beast and you're going to have to be able to ditch your plan and adapt/react on a dime.

54 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

If they have a pulse and play WR then I'm all for drafting them.

There aren't many WRs in this class that I wouldn't be tickled at getting. I have favorites, but I don't have any that I hate.

3 hours ago, Hoenheim said:

Would you be mad if Dan Morgan drafted Payton Wilson with pick 33?  

no, because he's already got guys like Kuechly pushing for him. I think if there's one thing that Keek and Morgan know, it's LBs and if they are both sold...if Morgan is sold enough on him that he thinks he's worth that pick i'm excited. 

i've been thinking a lot of times defense or OC with that first pick anyways and then coming back around and doubling up on WRs after that so it wouldn't throw that plan off much at all.

and say no to bo...or really any QB this year. 

do what we can to give BY every opportunity for success or at least substantial improvement. 

if it's not there, then we try again next year. but at least it couldn't be said that we didn't even try or give it a full effort.

we invested that much into him...we have to give it a real honest go with a real team around him and a non-dysfunctional coaching staff. 

32 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

No QB.

 

Sanders is ours for the taking if Bryce doesn't pan out.

2 hours ago, Leeroy Jenkins Ph.D. said:

2021

2021 Carolina Panthers Draft

Round	Selection	Player	Position	College
1	8	Jaycee Horn	CB	South Carolina
2	59	Terrace Marshall Jr.	WR	LSU
3	70	Brady Christensen	OT	BYU
	83	Tommy Tremble	TE	Notre Dame
4	126	Chuba Hubbard	RB	Oklahoma State
5	158	Daviyon Nixon	DT	Iowa
	166	Keith Taylor	CB	Washington
6	193	Deonte Brown	OG	Alabama
	204	Shi Smith	WR	South Carolina
	222	Thomas Fletcher	LS	Alabama
7	232	Phil Hoskins	DT	Kentucky

 

2022

022 Carolina Panthers Draft

Round	Selection	Player	Position	College	Notes
1	6	Ikem Ekwonu	OT	NC State
2	38	Traded to the New York Jets[A]
3	70	Traded to the Jacksonville Jaguars[B]
	94	Matt Corral	QB	Ole Miss	from Chiefs via Patriots[C]
4	111	Traded to the New York Jets[A]
	120	Brandon Smith	LB	Penn State	from Saints via Commanders[D]
	137	Traded to the New England Patriots[C]			from Rams via Texans[E]
5	144	Traded to the Washington Commanders[D]			from Jaguars[B]
	149	Traded to the Washington Commanders[D]
6	185	Traded to the Buffalo Bills[F]
	189	Amaré Barno	LB	Virginia Tech	from Commanders[D]
	199	Cade Mays	OG	Tennessee	from Raiders[G]
7	227	Traded to the Las Vegas Raiders[G]
	242	Kalon Barnes	CB	Baylor	from Patriots via Dolphins[H]

 

2023

2023 Carolina Panthers Draft

Round	Selection	Player	Position	College	Notes
1	1	Bryce Young	QB	Alabama	From Chicago
	9	Traded to the Chicago Bears[A]
2	39	Jonathan Mingo	WR	Ole Miss
	61	Traded to the Chicago Bears[A]			From San Francisco[B]
3	76	Traded to the New England Patriots[C]
	80	D. J. Johnson	OLB	Oregon	From Pittsburgh
4	114	Chandler Zavala	G	NC State
5	145	Jammie Robinson	S	Florida State
6	187	Traded to the New England Patriots[C]
7	226	Traded to the Jacksonville Jaguars[D]

 

 

Looks pretty damn UGLY

we turned shuffling chairs on the titanic into an artform.

1 hour ago, Ricky Spanish said:

To be fair I don't listen to anyone who says a draft pick sucks the moment they are taken.

i know people might be shocked to see me say this, but i'm kind of the same way.

2 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

Nobody would listen to me back then...

Did you say something? Sorry, i zoned out.

2 minutes ago, Ornias said:

Otherwise known as the starting over draft. 

No kidding. I mean we might need it. 

Ok....haven't used the NFL mock Database sim much in a while. This was kind of ridiculous.

We wind up collecting in the 2025 draft
Colts     round 7
Bucs     round 3, 7
Bengals     round 5
Jags     round 5
Eagles     round 7 pick 250
Titans    round 3, 4, 7
Pats    round 1, 4
Chiefs     round 2,5,7,7
Cards     round 2,4,7

20 hours ago, jb2288 said:

McConkey... except he will get drafted one pick in front of us to the Chiefs then I'll be in a horrible mood 

I keep on saying that i'll be excited if we draft any of about a dozen WRs...preferably 2. But i've got to admit that there's a couple i like i really hope are around for us to have as an option. We don't HAVE to draft him, but I at least want him to be available.

and i don't want him or really anyone good to go to the chiefs. they've had enough rings for a decade.

9 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

These guys go pretty far into the wr depth in the draft

 

this is probably my favorite break downs of the WR class.  Brett Kollman always does a good job, imo.

43 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

Canales was the best guy that would come here**

FIFY

Frame it however you want to fit your lovely narrative.

22 minutes ago, Shocker said:

Living in reality…all of the WRs that will be there at 33 have major flaws and all might bust.  This team has to take the best football player available.  We need talent.  With no first rounder we have to deal with it

Major flaws?

Lol just a bit dramatic

1 hour ago, amcoolio said:

Charlie Campbell says Legette is reminiscent of Breshad Perriman coming out of college. Same size, speed, rawness and traits. Not exactly a ringing endorsement

But there's more comps to DK Metcalf, AJ Brown, Deebo, and I even saw one to David Boston.

Daniel Kelly had a really interesting writeup on him.

https://firstroundmock.com/2024/02/xavier-legette-reminds-former-nfl-scout-of-these-legends/

Lots of ringing endorsements all over the place. People don't know what to expect, but from watching him last year they get a good sense of what he can be, and it's pretty stinking good

4 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

Trading a 2nd for a one year rental? And 22M guaranteed for one year?

 

This is a move you make if you believe you've got a really small window and you're not looking long term.

Just a weird move. Maybe they just got lucky last year.

This would be the most fun draft weekend ever.

10 hours ago, Crixtala said:

getting too good at working the pfn system

It's pretty predictable after a while. I know how to time it to get guys I want while changing a little direction now and then.

17 minutes ago, mickeye76 said:

Yeah I'd like to see a duo too.  Not even tied to them being the premium picks.  Coker, Washington, Thrash, McMillan, Ainias Smith, Cowing and Rice are all guys I like. We need to adopt a similar strategy as the Texans last year. Crowded WR room with multiple skill sets and body sizes just throwing everything against the wall to see what fit.  I would love to add a Pearsall, Corley, Tez, McConkey, or Legette but 33 and 39 could also be a top corner, NT or Center.   I keep thinking bout Sweat with Brown and Robinson on each side or pairing Horn with a legit talent across him. WR is a need but Dionte and AT are gonna eat.  Mingo needs to step up and competition needs to be brought in. AT might need to ride into the sunset at some point but it's not tomorrow. It all comes down to Young. 

Yep. Throw as many as we can out there and see what/who works