How long could you handle...

[PootieNunu]

I think I can handle just about anything outside of having to put up with MoRon and Hurney for another season. We need a coach that adapts to each opponent we face, not one who does the same thing every week and blames it on missed opportunities more so than anything else, tired of hearing that crap.

[Waldo]

How long I would be cool with depends on who is doing the losing. If it's the current crew, that that time was last year. New people, 2 years and they better be on the 9-7 side in year 3. I dont think I can take a repeat next year and be able to play pretend that I had any positive expectations at all for the team. It was hard to scrape together this year and it has been as bad as expected.

[steven8989]

1 hour ago, ellis said:

I get that he’s trying to manage expectations. But realistically, it doesn’t have to take that long. There are examples of teams getting things stabilized right out of the box. It really comes down to who he hires, if anybody. There’s gonna have to be one hell of a miraculous run for Ron and Marty to stay around, IMO. 

Dude I really don't think they are going anywhere. I think we hired another Richardson and until he proves me wrong the whole brass ball story was bullsh!t.

[Mr. Scot]

28 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Just for reference, the Cowboys, Bears and Packers have roughly a 57% winning margin in their franchise's history.  Those are the top 3 teams.  The NFL wants parity, period.   That's the reason I'm not a huge fan of college ball.  The deck is stacked.  You either have name programs that sucks up all the blue-chip recruits or a program struggling with all the leftovers.  Parity is not college ball.  With parlay cards the fools picks are the pro games, the easier money is on college ball.  Why?  Most match ups are easy...just getting the spread is the tough part.

The problem with measuring all-time records is that seasons have occurred under so many different conditions.

For me, the most accurate check of franchise health these days is to measure their records from the implementation of the salary cap forward.

[Eazy-E]

50 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Word it is that he spent last year reorganizing the business side of the team and that he hasn't really put an effort toward the football side yet, but he's going to this offseason.

The fact that he's been pulling back from his hedge fund commitments does kind of lend some credibility to that.

I hope he isn’t another owner who cares more about profit margins than the product on the field.

It seems like that is what the NFL wants and the fact that they were pushing so hard for him to win the bid for the Panthers is a little alarming.

Tepper hadn’t even been the owner for a full year and he was already talking about a new stadium. How about a new coaching staff and putting a product worth spending money on out on the field. 
 

Is that too much to ask as a fan?

[PootieNunu]

1 minute ago, Eazy-E said:

I hope he isn’t another owner who cares more about profit margins than the product on the field.

It seems like that is what the NFL wants and the fact that they were pushing so hard for him to win the bid for the Panthers is a little alarming.

Tepper hadn’t even been the owner for a full year and he was already talking about a new stadium. How about a new coaching staff and putting a product worth spending money on out on the field. 
 

Is that too much to ask as a fan?

Wait you don't want a shiny new stadium to watch us get drug in by crap teams while MoRon just says missed opportunities? 

[Eazy-E]

2 minutes ago, PootieNunu said:

Wait you don't want a shiny new stadium to watch us get drug in by crap teams while MoRon just says missed opportunities? 

Nope, but it seems our owner would be content with that.

[PootieNunu]

Just now, Eazy-E said:

Nope, but it seems our owner would be content with that.

I have a gut feeling he will keep these idiots in the FO for another season if not more. 

[Harbingers]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

David Tepper recently admitted that it might take a period of losing in order to get the team where he wanted it to be.

The question: How long?

How long would you be able to put up with the growing pains that it might take to build a perennial contender?

At what point might you start to lose faith in Tepper's ownership? And if you did, what would that mean?  What would you do?

Under Gettleman we were a habitual playoff team. With a bright future. Rivera as coach of the year mind you. Fast forward to Hurney stinking the entire team up under Tepper and rumors of rebuild already? If Tepper has any sort of a nutsack he’d have kicked Hurney to the curve by now. 

[45catfan]

49 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The problem with measuring all-time records is that seasons have occurred under so many different conditions.

For me, the most accurate check of franchise health these days is to measure their records from the implementation of the salary cap forward.

True, but with the Bucs being the lone outlier, the margin from best franchise winning percentage to worst is a mere 15 points.  Again, the NFL is set up for parity and to my whole argument, being average isn't horrible.  Would I like more winning seasons?  Of course, that was obviously rhetorical. This notion we're 5-5 and it's time to blown this whole damn thing up is a bit akin to a two year-old temper tantrum for the season not going exactly how folks want it to.

I'm willing to wait it out and see how Rivera REALLY coaches...not X's & O's, but if he can rally a group of men together for a common goal.  If he can, then I say he earned another year.  If not, he's lost the locker room in all reality and doesn't deserve another crack.

Hurney just needs to learn to draft better.  Granted he's done well in the first round and missed the "big bust".  Honestly though, how hard is it to nail a first round pick when you are taking one of the top 32 players in all of college football?  The real draft masters are the ones that more times than not hit in the middle rounds and find a gem on day 3 every so often.  Hurney is not that--never has been.  However, given he's got a keen eye in free agency and subdued his penchant to give out exorbitant contracts to fan/team favorites, he's done better than his first stint in Carolina.

I'm willing to wait this thing out.

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

True, but with the Bucs being the lone outlier, the margin from best franchise winning percentage to worst is a mere 15 points.  Again, the NFL is set up for parity and to my whole argument, being average isn't horrible.  Would I like more winning seasons?  Of course, that was obviously rhetorical. This notion we're 5-5 and it's time to blown this whole damn thing up is a bit akin to a two year-old temper tantrum for the season not going exactly how folks want it to.

I'm willing to wait it out and see how Rivera REALLY coaches...not X's & O's, but if he can rally a group of men together for a common goal.  If he can, then I say he earned another year.  If not, he's lost the locker room in all reality and doesn't deserve another crack.

Hurney just needs to learn to draft better.  Granted he's done well in the first round and missed the "big bust".  Honestly though, how hard is it to nail a first round pick when you are taking one of the top 32 players in all of college football?  The real draft masters are the ones that more times than not hit in the middle rounds and find a gem on day 3 every so often.  Hurney is not that--never has been.  However, given he's got a keen eye in free agency and subdued his penchant to give out exorbitant contracts to fan/team favorites, he's done better than his first stint in Carolina.

I'm willing to wait this thing out.

Not so sure I am.

The big thing with me when it comes to Rivera is that it shouldn't take your back being against the wall for you to coach your best.

[mc52beast]

I’m waiting until the season ends and watch what Tepper does, who he hires and that’s assuming he cuts ties with the current group. If he actually hires people who have a history of excelling in the NFL then I’ll trust that everything will be done that needs to be done in order to get this team where it needs to be. 
 

And I’m not assuming that it would take 3-5 years.. plenty of examples out there that say the opposite

[pantherclaw]

I don't believe this team is settling for mediocrity at all. 

NFL is no cake walk. 

[pantherclaw]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Not so sure I am.

The big thing with me when it comes to Rivera is that it shouldn't take your back being against the wall for you to coach your best.

Blows me away that anybody actually feels this way.