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31 minutes ago, stirs said:

You guys are too into "hating or loving" your gov officials.

Currently, we are between 1.1 and 1.2% death rate, similar to S Korea. Italy on the other hand is close to 9%.

All numbers change each day, but even though I am no fan of the current president, NO government was ready or could have been ready for this.

Get your head screwed on right.  Grind your axes when this is over.

If all we offer is our hatred of our political parties, we don't add much to the conversation.  Normally, governments have a year and a half headstart for the yearly flu.  Not many have budgets to have anything more than "hypothetical plans" in place for a sudden pandemic.

South Korea and Singapore were ready.

No government could've been ready for this while claiming it was a hoax for two months before finally waking up and realizing it was here and already widespread.

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1 hour ago, stirs said:

You guys are too into "hating or loving" your gov officials.

Currently, we are between 1.1 and 1.2% death rate, similar to S Korea. Italy on the other hand is close to 9%.

All numbers change each day, but even though I am no fan of the current president, NO government was ready or could have been ready for this.

Get your head screwed on right.  Grind your axes when this is over.

If all we offer is our hatred of our political parties, we don't add much to the conversation.  Normally, governments have a year and a half headstart for the yearly flu.  Not many have budgets to have anything more than "hypothetical plans" in place for a sudden pandemic.

We have a toddler at the helm of this pandemic who proceeded to gut the CDC when he entered office.

There are countless at risk Americans in this country who are not in a position to take your "listen guys, all sides are bad mkay" approach.

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3 hours ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

We had a three month head start and the President ignored it, joked about it, and wouldn't listen to any of the warnings.  That's it.

I was going to reply with something similar.

Trump dismantled the NSC's Pandemic unit that Obama put in place out of spite and foolishness. No way I believe that another POTUS wouldn't have done at least a marginally better job. At least!

And before someone says something dumb, I am unaffiliated as well. I do consider myself a staunch adherent of Progressivism. 

You don't dismantle global health infrastructure and expect humanity to progress. Many people in the know expected this very thing could happen!

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16 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Just to put it into perspective, just the Denver metro area is over 8000 square miles. There are only 3500 in the entire Colorado National Guard. That's roughly one person for every 2.3 square miles. Meanwhile, there's almost 3 million residents in those 8000 square miles.

That's not gonna work unless people willingly comply in which case it's unnecessary to begin with.

According to Wikipedia you're not wrong. 8344 sq mi by their number.  But looking at the county map they are including a whole lot of near empty space in that 8300.  I mean that metro area contains Park county with 2200 sq mi and 18k people.

Your statement, while technically right, is still misleading.  How many guardsmen would it take to cover the 10's of empty square miles around DIA?

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45 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

South Korea and Singapore were ready.

No government could've been ready for this while claiming it was a hoax for two months before finally waking up and realizing it was here and already widespread.

In fairness, its much much much easier for Singapore and South Korea to be ready.  They are much smaller, with stricter governments in place.  Singapore is an island, and South Korea has only one land border that is shut off.  And they don't have to deal with 50 states/governors.

That being said, I agree our government should have done more at both the federal and state level.  

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4 minutes ago, Inimicus said:

According to Wikipedia you're not wrong. 8344 sq mi by their number.  But looking at the county map they are including a whole lot of near empty space in that 8300.  I mean that metro area contains Park county with 2200 sq mi and 18k people.

Your statement, while technically right, is still misleading.  How many guardsmen would it take to cover the 10's of empty square miles around DIA?

But his basic point is correct.  There aren't near enough military personnel in the US to enact and enforce martial law across the entire country.  They could set up checkpoints, but that would just be controlling movement, not enacting martial law.

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1 hour ago, Happy Panther said:

 

Man, if they have to quarantine all of congress, that would be catastrophic.  I mean what would we do if they couldn't put on a show for the news cameras?  

 

j/k, I do hope Senator Rand is ok.  But it would be funny if we had to quarantine all of congress, and force them to all stay together for a couple of weeks.  Might actually get some things passed.  

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1 minute ago, Davidson Deac II said:

But his basic point is correct.  There aren't near enough military personnel in the US to enact and enforce martial law across the entire country.  They could set up checkpoints, but that would just be controlling movement, not enacting martial law.

No and I didnt really mean to suggest otherwise I mean I opened with acknowledgement of the factual truth of what he said.  As a resident of the Denver Metro though I was taken aback by the 8k sq mi number and when I went to verify it realized how misleading LGs statement was.  So I was offering a clarification more than a correction.

 

As far as marshal law is concerned I agree that its a practical impossibility on a nationwide scale.

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4 minutes ago, motocross_cat said:

WW2.  General motors built bombs, Ford built warplanes and tanks....they did this at an astonishing rate.  How is it the greatest country in the world cant produce some fuging masks, gloves and gowns?  I'm confused.

Most were being purchased from China?

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17 minutes ago, motocross_cat said:

WW2.  General motors built bombs, Ford built warplanes and tanks....they did this at an astonishing rate.  How is it the greatest country in the world cant produce some fuging masks, gloves and gowns?  I'm confused.

It took a little while for production of those things to get started and ramp up.  Ford had some factories making war materials, but it took 6 months to really ramp up after pearl harbor.

 Some factories are already switching to medical equipment, but it won't happen overnight.

https://www.wfmynews2.com/article/news/local/hanesbrands-producing-face-masks/83-d0d46c7b-31e8-4903-914a-c8d991cafd55

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According to a statement from the Winston-Salem-based company, HanesBrands is manufacturing the masks under contract with the U.S. federal government

HanesBrands is converting the production of apparel to the production of cotton masks approved by the Federal Drug Administration. According to a statement from the company, HanesBrands is manufacturing the masks under contract with the U.S. federal government.

The company has joined other major apparel manufacturers that are dedicating manufacturing capacity to meet the U.S. need for masks during the COVID-19 crisis.

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"In addition to Parkdale Mills America, HanesBrands is working closely with Fruit of the Loom, SanMar, Beverly Knits, the National Council of Textile Organizations, and other apparel companies to share product specifications and patterns for the FDA-approved masks."

 

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