Carolina Panthers 1st round draft mini breakdown

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

The women:

[JARROD]

Man I say we take Matthew Stafford and then go draft offensive line and complete the team.

Look at this year, Burrows may be out of football, and poor Tua is getting Munsoned down in Miami.

Herbert,.. the scrub that people talked so much junk about is the star so far.

it’s so hit or miss. Take Stafford and call it a day.

[Basbear]

[Varking]

3 hours ago, jfra78 said:

This is what I want to know, maybe we can get Ridder or Jones in the 2nd.  

Ridder likely isn’t going first or second round. 

[Varking]

2 hours ago, top dawg said:

I told them the other day: don't confuse didn't throw to can't throw. That's not what I've seen of Lance. I think that he can make all the throws and that it's just a matter of being coached up and learning from experience! I think any kid can bust given the wrong circumstances, but I believe Lance has the mindset, arm and mobility to be something special. 

This sounds like most first and second round prospects every year. Every class has a Jordan Love. All the tools, just needs some coaching. For every one Josh Allen there’s like 10 similar candidates who bust or never become much of anything. 

[top dawg]

39 minutes ago, Varking said:

This sounds like most first and second round prospects every year. Every class has a Jordan Love. All the tools, just needs some coaching. For every one Josh Allen there’s like 10 similar candidates who bust or never become much of anything. 

Not really. All prospects don't have the same skill set, and there aren't 10 busts every year. Some QB classes are just better than others.

You really seem to be going out of your way are to talk down about Lance. I remember people talking down about Herbert and Allen too, but you seem really invested in dogging Lance. 

[Varking]

Pick a game and watch the throws. 2019 Montana vs NDSU semi finals.

1. Overthrows a receiver on a diving attempt on a 50 yard throw.

2. Next pass attempt is 20 yards in the air to an open receiver who has his man beat on the sideline and he airmails is about six yards out of bounds. 
3. Throws a ball from his 19 to the opposing 36 in the air. Receiver has to slow down for 3 steps to make the catch and then outruns the two DBs for the last 36 yards for a TD. 
( the same kid who burns everyone on that play takes a handoff on the next offensive possession for another 70 yard touchdown )

Three deeper throws. None were on the money. Two were incomplete. One was downright awful. The only completion wasn’t even a great throw other than showing arm strength which I liked. 

Something that troubled me while I watch the first half is that he consistently makes bad throws on screens. First one if he throw to the outside of the receiver he can catch it and run up the sideline but he throws it inside. Second one he throws the ball behind the wide receiver so they have to literally spin around to make the catch. Next two short plays are meh and then he gets his TE hammered due to bad ball placement. Again the guy has to spin back towards the QB to make a catch. Next one has the ball thrown behind the receiver on the screen and low. Has to spin around to make a catch. 
 

something I mostly liked;

6th throw of the game was a bullet in a tight window with a lb draped all over the TE. Thrown high and towards the middle of the field so only his guy can get it. The only knock is that he stared down this read the entire time.

His third throw of the game was a nice throw where he lead the back with the ball and it was his check down read. Full game is on YouTube with no ads. Can skip through all the plays that aren’t his throws. Will do more after work. 
 

Most of the passes completed in the first half are all within 5 yards of the LOS. About five were within 2 yards and 3 were behind. 

Edited January 6, 2021 by Varking

[Varking]

8 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Not really. All prospects don't have the same skill set, and there aren't 10 busts every year. Some QB classes are just better than others.

You really seem to be going out of your way are to talk down about Lance. I remember people talking down about Herbert and Allen too, but you seem really invested in dogging Lance. 

I didn’t have anything bad to say about Herbert or Allen so those people weren’t me. 

[Verge]

4 hours ago, raleigh-panther said:

You aren’t concerned about his level of competition?
BYUs schedule was poor this year 

NFL throws are NFL throws regardless of level of competition. Wilson consistently rose his team above everyone else, it was almost always on Wilson and he pulled through. Fields struggled against IU and Northwestern. OSU could have lost games BECAUSE of Fields. You expect an elite blue chip QB on an elite football team to help carry an elite team, Fields certainly did that against Clemson, but I do think he is inconsistent in too many games. 

 

[Verge]

Again, I still think Fields is plenty worthy of a first round pick, don't get it twisted. He IS better than Haskins, but I certainly think he has more concerns than a Wilson or Lance.

(sorry for the delayed response, I am currently moving across the country)

[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, Varking said:

I didn’t have anything bad to say about Herbert or Allen so those people weren’t me. 

All of my criticisms of Herbert were criticisms of his play within that Oregon offense. He had every physical trait you could want in a QB and for some reason that staff still didn't trust him.

[Verge]

I honestly would not read too much into the one game that Lance played this year, most front offices certainly won't. The 2019 tells a pretty insane story for Lance, and that tape is going to stick. Will he go ahead of Fields? I honestly have no idea, I think he should, but I can certainly understand either argument. 

[Verge]

1 hour ago, top dawg said:

Not really. All prospects don't have the same skill set, and there aren't 10 busts every year. Some QB classes are just better than others.

You really seem to be going out of your way are to talk down about Lance. I remember people talking down about Herbert and Allen too, but you seem really invested in dogging Lance. 

I'd like to take the time to pat my own back for having both of them QB1 or QB2 during most of the process. You can never overstate the importance of a big arm that can throw across the field with added mobility. I thought people were insane for discrediting Allen and certainly Herbert. ALWAYS TRUST THE TAPE.

Edited January 6, 2021 by Verge

[Varking]

5 minutes ago, Verge said:

I honestly would not read too much into the one game that Lance played this year, most front offices certainly won't. The 2019 tells a pretty insane story for Lance, and that tape is going to stick. Will he go ahead of Fields? I honestly have no idea, I think he should, but I can certainly understand either argument. 

Give me a tape to look over. I stopped watching the NDSU semi final game at halftime. He was very inconsistent on short throws and was bad on the deeper passes.