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I don't understand why people think it is so crazy that an organization could use 2 1st round picks on QBs in a short period of time. There isn't a team in the league that wouldn't happily give u

Which also tells you how much good coaching matters. Andy Reid has pretty much made every qb he’s had look good. 

Tua had ups and downs in his first season. Let's look at some facts of his season though.

1 - Tua hadn't played in an entire year due to a horrific injury. 

2 - He came back from this injury, not playing in a year, with no rookie camp, no pre-season, and very limited training camp.

3 - Tua played in very rare circumstances for a rookie QB. He was thrown into the fire of a playoff race.

4 - Tua as a rookie was playing behind 3 rookie offensive linemen that was very inconsistent picking up blitzes and different looks. 

5 - Miami also had very little running game to help the situation. Some due to a young line, the rest due to not having any skill in the backfield.

6 - Miami has one of the worst, if not the worst set of weapons in the entire NFL. In 3 games towards the end of the season, Mack Hollins was their top target. Tua had Miami's best (not good) receivers for 2 games. He beat the Rams and the Cardinals, playing really well against the Cardinals.

7 - Chan Gailey was the OC in Buffalo when Fitzpatrick played there. Chan was hired last offseason to bring in a system that Fitz could thrive in. His system does not fit the strengths of Tua at all.  Chan has now "retired" again.

 

I think you could look back through the entire history of the NFL, and it would be tough to find a rookie QB that has been faced with these circumstances. The jury is by far still out on Tua. Give him some weapons that can create quick space, and can win at the too of their routes, give him a RB, and an OC who has a system that fits his strengths, I think Tua will do really well. 

Also, don't listen to the media narrative about Fitz being their closer. Fitz came in and won ONE game against the Raiders. That was the ONLY time he "saved" the day. Raiders had just fired their DC, Marinelli stepped in and changed some looks. Gailey admitted Tua had never seen those looks, and he did not have him prepared for those looks. The game was still 16-13 when the change was made. 

 

Tua to Carolina

Teddy to Houston with other assets 

Watson to Miami

 

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2 hours ago, TheProcess said:

Tua had ups and downs in his first season. Let's look at some facts of his season though.

1 - Tua hadn't played in an entire year due to a horrific injury. 

2 - He came back from this injury, not playing in a year, with no rookie camp, no pre-season, and very limited training camp.

3 - Tua played in very rare circumstances for a rookie QB. He was thrown into the fire of a playoff race.

4 - Tua as a rookie was playing behind 3 rookie offensive linemen that was very inconsistent picking up blitzes and different looks. 

5 - Miami also had very little running game to help the situation. Some due to a young line, the rest due to not having any skill in the backfield.

6 - Miami has one of the worst, if not the worst set of weapons in the entire NFL. In 3 games towards the end of the season, Mack Hollins was their top target. Tua had Miami's best (not good) receivers for 2 games. He beat the Rams and the Cardinals, playing really well against the Cardinals.

7 - Chan Gailey was the OC in Buffalo when Fitzpatrick played there. Chan was hired last offseason to bring in a system that Fitz could thrive in. His system does not fit the strengths of Tua at all.  Chan has now "retired" again.

 

I think you could look back through the entire history of the NFL, and it would be tough to find a rookie QB that has been faced with these circumstances. The jury is by far still out on Tua. Give him some weapons that can create quick space, and can win at the too of their routes, give him a RB, and an OC who has a system that fits his strengths, I think Tua will do really well. 

Also, don't listen to the media narrative about Fitz being their closer. Fitz came in and won ONE game against the Raiders. That was the ONLY time he "saved" the day. Raiders had just fired their DC, Marinelli stepped in and changed some looks. Gailey admitted Tua had never seen those looks, and he did not have him prepared for those looks. The game was still 16-13 when the change was made. 

 

Tua to Carolina

Teddy to Houston with other assets 

Watson to Miami

 

Can we get watson instead? We can send teddy and other assests as well

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Tua is a much better passer than Trey Lance and I agree its really questionable that even he ends up being good.  Still, I wouldn’t give up on Tua just yet.

Seriously if we trade #8 for Tua straight up I would be pretty happy with that.

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3 hours ago, TheProcess said:

Tua had ups and downs in his first season. Let's look at some facts of his season though.

1 - Tua hadn't played in an entire year due to a horrific injury. 

2 - He came back from this injury, not playing in a year, with no rookie camp, no pre-season, and very limited training camp.

3 - Tua played in very rare circumstances for a rookie QB. He was thrown into the fire of a playoff race.

4 - Tua as a rookie was playing behind 3 rookie offensive linemen that was very inconsistent picking up blitzes and different looks. 

5 - Miami also had very little running game to help the situation. Some due to a young line, the rest due to not having any skill in the backfield.

6 - Miami has one of the worst, if not the worst set of weapons in the entire NFL. In 3 games towards the end of the season, Mack Hollins was their top target. Tua had Miami's best (not good) receivers for 2 games. He beat the Rams and the Cardinals, playing really well against the Cardinals.

7 - Chan Gailey was the OC in Buffalo when Fitzpatrick played there. Chan was hired last offseason to bring in a system that Fitz could thrive in. His system does not fit the strengths of Tua at all.  Chan has now "retired" again.

 

I think you could look back through the entire history of the NFL, and it would be tough to find a rookie QB that has been faced with these circumstances. The jury is by far still out on Tua. Give him some weapons that can create quick space, and can win at the too of their routes, give him a RB, and an OC who has a system that fits his strengths, I think Tua will do really well. 

Also, don't listen to the media narrative about Fitz being their closer. Fitz came in and won ONE game against the Raiders. That was the ONLY time he "saved" the day. Raiders had just fired their DC, Marinelli stepped in and changed some looks. Gailey admitted Tua had never seen those looks, and he did not have him prepared for those looks. The game was still 16-13 when the change was made. 

 

Tua to Carolina

Teddy to Houston with other assets 

Watson to Miami

 

I thought I saw somewhere last week where Miami had no intentions of giving up on Tua.

Every point you made is accurate too.  Too many variables that put Tua behind the eight ball.  

What I find funny is if we draft Lance, he's going to face the same thing Tua did in Miami unless we somehow build an O-line this season. Granted he will have, by far, a better receiving corps and a solid running game but if we don't keep the pressure off him.  He's gonna have a rookie season where some are going to question the pick.

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8 hours ago, Shocker said:

Tua is a much better passer than Trey Lance and I agree its really questionable that even he ends up being good.  Still, I wouldn’t give up on Tua just yet.

Seriously if we trade #8 for Tua straight up I would be pretty happy with that.

He was a better passer when at Alabama, where he was on a team that had much more talent than the opponents did.  Whether he is a better passer in the NFL with a more even distribution of talent is anyone's guess.  While the jury is still out on him, the one game I saw him play made Teddy B look like a accomplished deep ball passer by comparison.  

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