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Washington Football Team finalizing deal with Marty Hurney


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1 hour ago, Toomers said:

So you believe Hurney was allowed to sign TB without Rhule’s approval? Just signed him and told Rhule to live with it? Is that what we’re going with here? The HC with a 70M contract and an new OC who was the only one with close knowledge of the player, or a lame-duck GM making about 1M? 
 

   What other moves did Hurney force onto Rhule? Just the bad ones? 

   

It's entirely possible that Rhule was intrigued with Teddy's potential and familiarity with Brady's system like everyone else was, then saw the contract that Hurney gave him and immediately poo his pants like everyone else did. We don't know.

Just because the coaches didn't come right out and say "We're stuck with Teddy B, God help us." to the press, the huddle legend of Rhule and Brady "sticking out their necks for Teddy' was born.

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1 hour ago, Mage said:

The point isn't that Rhule was against signing Teddy in general.  The point is Hurney lobbied the hardest for him and is the main culprit behind the contract he got.  Rhule may have been okay with signing Teddy, but everything Rhule and Tepper have ever said has made it clear they were cool with a rebuild.  I seriously doubt they were sold on signing Bridgewater to the deal Hurney gave him, BUT I imagine that Rhule was still at a point early in their relationship that he was willing to trust Hurney and his evaluation.

It isn't a coincidence that Hurney didn't get fired until Bridgewater made it 100% clear to everyone (although it was clear to most of us) that he sucked.  

There is just no way Bridgewater gets signed to that contract if it was Rhule's decision only.  Rhule and Tepper were okay with sucking in 2020.  And this isn't about pawning the bad moves off on Hurney.  Even without RoaringRiot's input, if you read between the lines, it was a Hurney move through and through.

I never understood why people thought Joe Brady himself influenced it.  I do think Hurney considered the connection between TB-Brady, but I doubt first-time NFL OC Brady, who just came from LSU, ever had enough influence to say "this is the QB we should and will sign."  It was a Hurney decision, with reluctant backing from Rhule.  And as soon as Bridgewater officially flamed out, Hurney got fired and Rhule has all but said he doesn't want Teddy as his QB much longer.

But you think a lame-duck GM in the last year of his contract did have that influence?

Also, it doesn't make sense to me that Hurney was trying to save his job by signing Bridgewater to win now, while it was also reported that he wanted to take Justin Herbert with his first round pick last year.  That type of veteran QB signing while drafting the QB of the future doesn't scream "win now".  That's the type of move you make to set up long-term success, not immediate success.

And I don't buy the argument that "Rhule and Tepper were cool with a rebuild" but deferred to Hurney who wanted to win now.  That doesn't really pass the sniff test for me.  A true rebuild is a monumental decision that has huge short and long term implications.  To paint the narrative that a rebuild was just some nonchalant option that the head coach and owner of the team were like "yeah whatever we're cool with a rebuild but we don't feel that strongly about it" is not really operating within the confines of reality.  Tepper invested billions of dollars into this franchise.  You better believe he is thinking long-term with the moves he makes.  Not deferring to a lame-duck GM who is transparently trying to save his job with moves that have the potential to set the franchise back several years.

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8 minutes ago, Khaki Lackey said:

It's entirely possible that Rhule was intrigued with Teddy's potential and familiarity with Brady's system like everyone else was, then saw the contract that Hurney gave him and immediately poo his pants like everyone else did. We don't know.

Just because the coaches didn't come right out and say "We're stuck with Teddy B, God help us." to the press, the huddle legend of Rhule and Brady "sticking out their necks for Teddy' was born.

So you believe that Hurney walked in with a signed TB contract and gave it to Rhule? Just deal with it.  And you think he wouldn’t have been fired immediately? 
 

   This is a perfect example of the mental gymnastics it takes to make the current coaches blameless. Not how someone with complete control has little to no accountability. 

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17 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

We were hearing reports even before the season that Marty believed we could win now as opposed to embracing the rebuild.

  Y’all are hearing many things that weren’t “reported” in a timely manner. And what did what Marty thought matter? 

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4 minutes ago, Toomers said:

So you believe that Hurney walked in with a signed TB contract and gave it to Rhule? Just deal with it.  And you think he wouldn’t have been fired immediately? 
 

   This is a perfect example of the mental gymnastics it takes to make the current coaches blameless. Not how someone with complete control has little to no accountability. 

So Tepper let Hurney go into "recruiting mode" when interviewing Rhule, let Hurney veto Rhule's desire to trade back in the first and draft Brown, (which seems like a good move, credit to Hurney if true) but forbids him to sign a QB? I don't think I'm the one doing mental gymnastics, chief. So why was Hurney poo canned at all if he never made any decisions?

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5 minutes ago, Toomers said:

So you believe that Hurney walked in with a signed TB contract and gave it to Rhule? Just deal with it.  And you think he wouldn’t have been fired immediately? 
 

   This is a perfect example of the mental gymnastics it takes to make the current coaches blameless. Not how someone with complete control has little to no accountability. 

That's not even remotely what he said. You are seeing what you want to see. All he is saying is Hurney was the loudest voice in the room for TB, not that he was the only voice. 

I will say it does look like a typical Hurney homerun swing. GM on the last year of his contract, likely not to get an extension or another job offer unless he pulls off something miraculous. Enter TB. A previous starting NFL QB that had the potential for a big performance. If this team exceeds expectations and finishes 8-8 or 9-7, Marty might get another 3-4 years and he looks like a genius. If it fails he's out of a job and likely unemployed. Same outcome. Only one had a chance to save his job. 

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3 minutes ago, Khaki Lackey said:

So Tepper let Hurney go into "recruiting mode" when interviewing Rhule, let Hurney veto Rhule's desire to trade back in the first and draft Brown, (which seems like a good move, credit to Hurney if true) but forbids him to sign a QB? I don't think I'm the one doing mental gymnastics, chief. So why was Hurney poo canned at all if he never made any decisions?

First, if he, or any GM signed a starting QB without consulting the HC, they would be fired. One makes 9M and the other about 1M. For a reason. But if it helps your imagination, have at it. 
 

  Has everything you have been told from the staff been true? Let’s not pretend it has been. Nor would it be for any staff. 
 

   Maybe he’s getting canned so someone could help Rhule not waste around 70M of cap room on a rebuild this time. Not going to make a numbers guy like Tepper happy doing that. 

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10 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

That's not even remotely what he said. You are seeing what you want to see. All he is saying is Hurney was the loudest voice in the room for TB, not that he was the only voice. 

I will say it does look like a typical Hurney homerun swing. GM on the last year of his contract, likely not to get an extension or another job offer unless he pulls off something miraculous. Enter TB. A previous starting NFL QB that had the potential for a big performance. If this team exceeds expectations and finishes 8-8 or 9-7, Marty might get another 3-4 years and he looks like a genius. If it fails he's out of a job and likely unemployed. Same outcome. Only one had a chance to save his job. 

How is it not? “He showed him the contract and he pooped his pants like the rest of us” That means it’s final. It’s why I asked for clarification. How was that not a  taake it and like it scenario? 
 

   

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9 minutes ago, Toomers said:

How is it not? “He showed him the contract and he pooped his pants like the rest of us” That means it’s final. It’s why I asked for clarification. How was that not a  taake it and like it scenario? 
 

   

Contract terms and bringing in a guy are 2 different things. Rhule likely has little if anything to do with the terms of a contract, not his job. He could have expected him at 3 yr/45mil with 20 guaranteed instead of 3yr/63m with 33 guaranteed structured the way it was. 

That's where Hurneys job of determining if a player is worth the contract comes into play. This is one of his weakest areas as GM, as history has shown us. He drastically overpays for mediocre talent. 

He could come back to Rhule and say for what TB wants, he wont bring that amount of value. Instead I can bring in X number of players instead. That doesn't feel like a Hurney decision with his future on the line. He needed a homerun to save his job. TB was the pitch. And Hurney struck out. 

 

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