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Matt Rhule has final say, but looking to build relationship with new GM


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4 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

I'm guessing most decisions will be a collaboration between the two of them, which is fine, but sooner or later there is a chance that they will disagree on a player and one of them will have to pull rank and sounds like Rhule has higher rank.

This type of arrangement can work, but I do think it is important that the coach and GM are of very similar mindset, if not there would be too much conflict and it could get toxic.

I would be curious to know, did Schneider or Carroll have final say?

Carroll does.

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23 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

you can challenge and argue and still be a yes man.

If Rhule has final say, that means you are yes man by default at the end of the day.

Some organizations have the coach with final say, some have the GM.  Both work, and both don't.

At the end of the day the guy writing the check has the final say (Tepper or any owner), only question is how much the decide to get involved.

 

 

 

Uhh, what...? That makes zero sense. Every organization has somebody with final say technically. So there are 32 people in NFL front offices and coaching staffs around the league who aren't yes men and everyone else is a yes man? 

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Comments from Seahawks GM John Schneider in a recent article on Panthers.com...

"When people come up to you trying to change the board during the draft, he's like 'Hey-hey-hey. Stick to the board. Don't let these people keep affecting you.' He knows how to operate in that setting. He just has the ability to say, 'Stop, we've got this.'"

That includes having the strength to tell the boss when to say when.

Schneider recalled one year when he moved back three times, piling up later-round picks. At a certain point, Fitterer was ready to use some of the picks on players they liked.

"I looked at him and said, 'Are we good with this?'" Schneider said. "He's like, 'Yeah, I'm good with it, but can we stop trading back now? Look at the board right now, John.'"

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1 hour ago, AU-panther said:

you can challenge and argue and still be a yes man.

If Rhule has final say, that means you are yes man by default at the end of the day.

Some organizations have the coach with final say, some have the GM.  Both work, and both don't.

At the end of the day the guy writing the check has the final say (Tepper or any owner), only question is how much the decide to get involved.

 

 

 

What if rhule’s final say is because of Fitts suggestion? 
 

“Final Say” isn’t as black and white and your portray it.

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1 hour ago, Kuhndog94 said:

So Scott IS a yes man?

how many highly coveted execs do you think are going to settle for this kind of model

 

does that answer your question

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giving your college coach a total power that about even proven NFL caches posses isn't positioning him to succeed

 

at this point you just have to hope you get lucky

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Ultimately Rhule has to coach these guys and finding the right fit for him to work with is important. It doesn't matter if you get an A player if we arent going to be able to get an A player under our coaching system.

It sounds like what Rhule really wants is a sounding board who understands how all the pieces move and will give him honest feedback, but will also trust his ability to pick the guys he thinks will work best. It sounds more like collaboration with Rhule ultimately deciding who is the best fit under his style. 

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18 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

What if rhule’s final say is because of Fitts suggestion? 
 

“Final Say” isn’t as black and white and your portray it.

Then that means Rhule values Fitts suggestion.  I fully expect both to make decisions, and both to influence each other but sooner or later someone has final say when it comes time to turn in the name of who is drafted.

That is very black and white.

 

 

 

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If someone native speaking could quote Rhules answer on the last question or second last question.  That would add to the discussion.  

His press conference is in the article and he mentions about building the roster involving economy and frankly saying that part regarding economy, he would leave to Fit and someone else. = sure Rhule might have final say, but as said so many times, in collaboration. 

But get the quote. Much better than my memory of what was said. 

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1 hour ago, AU-panther said:

you can challenge and argue and still be a yes man.

If Rhule has final say, that means you are yes man by default at the end of the day.

Some organizations have the coach with final say, some have the GM.  Both work, and both don't.

At the end of the day the guy writing the check has the final say (Tepper or any owner), only question is how much the decide to get involved.

 

 

 

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/yes-man

The bold doesn't really agree with the common definition of the term. A yes-man is someone who by definition wont challenge and/or argue with their superior(s). 

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17 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Ultimately Rhule has to coach these guys and finding the right fit for him to work with is important. It doesn't matter if you get an A player if we arent going to be able to get an A player under our coaching system.

It sounds like what Rhule really wants is a sounding board who understands how all the pieces move and will give him honest feedback, but will also trust his ability to pick the guys he thinks will work best. It sounds more like collaboration with Rhule ultimately deciding who is the best fit under his style. 

Fitterer will basically have complete control of the personnel department.

Rhule has expressed that while he knows the kind of players he wants, he doesn't have the time or the inclination to go out scouting college and pro players across the country. Yes to focus primarily on coaching the guys that we have.

I expect Fitterer and Rhule will get together and hash out what the roster needs are and what kind of players they're looking for. Fittererer and his people will acquire the kind of players that fit those profiles and together he and Rhule will decide who makes the final roster.

I don't honestly see it as all that different and what happens with most other teams, honestly. Who stands where in the org chart doesn't really matter that much. It's how well you work together.

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