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3 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

His premise isn't wrong but he is comparing the Panthers to the Jets, when we had how many games that were lost on the last drive / late in the 4th quarter, where a competent QB may have won the game?

We are more than 1 player away from being an incredible team, sure, but it all starts with QB and we have a lot of solid young players on both sides of the ball.  Of course, if we have to ditch 2 of them to get him, that changes the equation, haha.

I think what he is really saying is that this team is full of holes. If he had been on our team last year we would have won more games and possibly even made the playoffs. If we could get D.Watson in 2021 and not have to give up anything (or much) we would be better. That ain't happening. 

The pundits are saying we're going to have to give up multiple high round picks in multiple years...and a couple of starters. You lose weapons on the current team and the high draft picks you need to replace them and address other areas of need.

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15 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

I think what he is really saying is that this team is full of holes. If he had been on our team last year we would have won more games and possibly even made the playoffs. If we could get D.Watson in 2021 and not have to give up anything (or much) we would be better. That ain't happening. 

The pundits are saying we're going to have to give up multiple high round picks in multiple years...and a couple of starters. You lose weapons on the current team and the high draft picks you need to replace them and address other areas of need.

We would likely be a better team next year with Watson and without teddy, cmc, and someone on defense than the alternatives.  Watson is that much better, and ideally we find ways to address some other holes.

 

Of course if we get lucky in the draft with an amazing QB thatis a better route... but we aren't going to be able to go back in time to lose another game or two last year so we are drafting 8. With so many QB hungry teams ahead of us or able to trade, seems we will need to use draft capital either way to get a QB. I would rather spend a bit extra to get Watson than spend a bit less for a totally unknown.

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52 minutes ago, BrianS said:

Actually, in this case he's completely wrong.  If we had a clutch QB we would have won at least another four games.  Maybe more.

We really were that close to the playoffs. Feels like we're a few clutch end-zone incompletions away most years.

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1 hour ago, TheRumGone said:

Is anybody even still around the org from when he was playing? New owner, new GM, new coaches, new players? 

He’s incapable of being objective. If he was objective he’d realize we have the best RB in the league, a starting LT, a top 5-potential wide receiver...maybe the best receiving corp in the league added to a top 5 QB. 
 

We’d have to give up some D assets but that is an offense capable of putting up 35+ ppg.....ignore Deangelo. 

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55 minutes ago, TriggaPlease89 said:

It’s confusing why people are so hard on the guy for having an opinion. Let alone against people that most of this forum detests also. But yet people still demean anything he says. It’s crazy how so many Panthers fans, mostly on here are so inept and inconsistent. Talking about toxic, take a trip down memory lane people look at your old messages on here then look yourself in the mirror and tell your self to do better or watch soccer since most aren’t even serious football fans. Pathetic. 

That you Deangelo?

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53 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

We're not a QB away from being a great team, so technically he's right.

That said, he's still an a--hole.

Rebuilding doesn't happen overnight. Our needle is pointing in the right direction. If we had had Deshaun last year, there's no telling how many more games we'd have one. I say it would have been at least four, and some of them against the best teams in the league. We'd have had the realistic possibility of beating the Bucs, KC and the Packers! And that's the honest truth! Now, of course we probably wouldn't have been able to see it through to the Super Bowl, but momentum is a funny thing. The two teams that got to the Super Bowl weren't perfect, even though the Bucs played their best ball of the season at the end of the season. So, no, we may not have been a "great" team, but we'd have been one with a good record. Franchise QBs can do that for a team. 

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20 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

We'd have been obliterated in the playoffs.

This year? Of course. 
 

Add Watson and CMC to the offense and we are probably competitive against every team in the league. 
 

The Titans had Ryan Tannehill (average) and a mediocre defense and went 11-5 and made the playoffs. That’s how bad TB was...Upgrading the QB is everything. 

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21 minutes ago, unicar15 said:

This year? Of course. 
 

Add Watson and CMC to the offense and we are probably competitive against every team in the league. 
 

The Titans had Ryan Tannehill (average) and a mediocre defense and went 11-5 and made the playoffs. That’s how bad TB was...Upgrading the QB is everything. 

We were essentially competitive with every team in the league/on our scheule without CMC and Watson last year.   Minus Tampa. 

Teddy just wasn't good enough to get it done. 

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Here our the point total we gave up in our 11 losses:

34,31,23,27,25,33,46,28,32,24,33

We gave up 30 or more points in 6 of our losses. Out of those 6 only the two Tampa losses and the season ending loss to the Saints were by more than one score. If Carolina could have held teams to 25 points per game we would have been a serious a serious NFC playoff threat in 2020 ...with Teddy Bridgewater at QB. Let that sink in folks.

We are in a position to add more talent in the draft to improve the secondary and pass rush, but we need draft picks to do it.  If we give up starters (like McCaffrey, Burns, Robinson, etc) and picks for one guy, how are you going to be able to surround Watson with anything to work with?  I don't care who you put back there, the results won't be pretty if he has to score 30 or more points every game to have a chance to win.

It pains me to say this, but DeAngelo is right. Some people are just to desperate for a "franchise" QB on this board to realize that. 

 

 

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