Would the Panthers sign Lamar Jackson if the Ravens dump him?

[SetfreexX]

Regular season wins, versus post-season wins, that's where it starts to matter. Similar to how SEA fell off when they paid Russell and the L.O.B. was disassembled, we saw it most recently with PHI / LAR.

When you pay guys that are elevated due to the incredible talent around them / coaching, versus them elevating lesser talent when you can't afford to keep everyone you find yourself in a rough spot. 

At some point the ''next man up to reset the market'' approach has to come to a head you'd think, or at least separate QB salary from the other 52, no matter the resolution I think we could see some ''radical'' types of ideas / situations arise in the next 5 years. 

[bababoey]

56 minutes ago, CanadianCat said:

If they dump him they probably still get a comp pick out of the deal...

You don't get a comp pick if you cut a player so 

[CanadianCat]

2 minutes ago, SetfreexX said:

Regular season wins, versus post-season wins, that's where it starts to matter. Similar to how SEA fell off when they paid Russell and the L.O.B. was disassembled, we saw it most recently with PHI / LAR.

When you pay guys that are elevated due to the incredible talent around them / coaching, versus them elevating lesser talent when you can't afford to keep everyone you find yourself in a rough spot. 

At some point the ''next man up to reset the market'' approach has to come to a head you'd think, or at least separate QB salary from the other 52, no matter the resolution I think we could see some ''radical'' types of ideas / situations arise in the next 5 years. 

Especially when the new discussion on top QB contracts are that they should get a % of the cap as opposed to just a defined contract number...

There needs to be a reset on the QB market. 

[CanadianCat]

2 minutes ago, bababoey said:

You don't get a comp pick if you cut a player so 

Sorry, if you just dont resign them.

[bababoey]

4 minutes ago, CanadianCat said:

Sorry, if you just dont resign them.

Then you get into how much the other team signed him for and you have to factor in who you lost in free agency and who you added and how much each player you added average yearly value is.  Honestly if you wanted to get a pick or 2 out of it, it would be much easier to just trade him.

[X-Clown]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

I will grant though, at some point Jackson needs to show that he can win a playoff game.

You mean like he did in January of 2021?

[jayboogieman]

1 hour ago, Stumpy said:

I've been pushing this theory for a while now. I don't think any team is ready to take that leap just yet. It's why I believe we should not pass on Fields or Lance if they are there. 

There is a huge market inefficiency when it comes to qbs in the NFL. As it stands, having a starting qb on a rookie contract gives you an extra $15-25m in cap space for the rest of your team. 

As trade capital, no other position comes close. So why not draft a qb every year. Not necessarily 1st round, but maybe top 3. Rookie contracts last 4 years. If half of them end up being backup level, you can still recoup the cost trading them away. If even 25% end up above average, your will have 10-12 picks in every draft. 

Rookie contracts count at other positions besides just QB. DEs, CBs, and OTs make as much as the example range you gave. Having guys at those positions on rookie deals does just as much good as having a QB on a rookie deal.

Why not draft a QB every year? Because it is dumb and a waste of draft capital that would be better spent putting other cheap young talent on the team. Teams aren't going to trade for backup QBs just because you want them to. Grier and Walker have little to no value. Do you really think teams would trade for them just because they are on cheap deals?

[rmoneyg35]

The problem with Teams trading for Jackson is that you have to have your offense specifically set up for him.

[frankw]

On one hand I don't think any front office personnel want to be the first to put this approach to the test if they value their job security if it goes south. On the other hand unforeseen events after signing a player such as a quarterback to a massive contract are now like it or not a prevalent variable to be under consideration moving forward in light of recent events with the Texans. It remains to be seen what kind of ripple effect that will have on the rest of the league in the years to come with increasing contracts.

[Reebis21]

This same thing was talked about regarding the Rams and Goff...people said “stop treating this like madden”...would have been a great move

[KSpan]

3 hours ago, Madwolf said:

He's one of the winningest QBs at his age in NFL history.

Except for when it counts in the biggest regular season and postseason games. I don't think it's all on him of course but he really hasn't risen to the occasion. 30 regular season wins and only 2 winning drives and 4 comebacks, and his playoff passing numbers are poor (55.9% completion, 900 yards, TDs to 5 ints in 4 games). By contrast, Mahomes has similar regular season winning % and not many more comebacks but his playoff numbers are ridiculous and there's no question about his performance in critical moments.

IMO Lamar is a bit overrated at this point but could still develop that killer instinct. Then again, maybe not.

[Brooklyn 3.0]

His body is doomed. Hard pass unless he changes his game. Cam and Big Ben can take hits a lot. Lamar not so much.

[scarface]

5 hours ago, BurnNChinn said:

Jackson will never win a SB, he’s not good enough. With that defense they should be dominating.

[Snake]

Well duh.