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Draft Analysis: "A massive value-destroying error"?


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33 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The braintrust didn't see quarterback as a need after getting Darnold.

Like it or not, agree or not, that's the way it is.

it is what it is.  that’s for sure. 

But as noted, the needs for the team extended beyond QB.   DB is still a pretty low impact position given what we are and have been at some pretty impactful positions.   

Just look at the Gameocks.   Horn was one of the best DBs in college football.   Let’s just call him the best.  Big picture?  He had very little impact on outcomes of games.    They had needs at more impactful positions.    So when Clemson for example rolls up?  Who has trash DBs.  But is strong at QB, DL, OL….Ross has a 100+ yard day.  Higgins has 100+ too.  Trevor has a field day and the trio sits down and watches their backups in the 4th quarter.  

I haven’t agreed with the braintrusts for the Panthers for a long time now.  

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1 hour ago, CRA said:

We have had 3 consecutive losing seasons because we have haven’t had a healthy or good QB.   In a QB centric league.  The far and away most important position in the NFL.   Pretty big need there. 
 

QB is a need.  Left side of the OL is a need.  And we were bottom of the league in sacks.  That’s still a need.    The most impactful positions in today’s NFL.  

and we picked up a guy going to into his 4th season never having a winning season….and used a top 10 pick on a DB.    Majority here would have been against such if that was posed to you after last season ended.  

Darnold may very well be the answer at QB for the Panthers. 

Sam can make all the throws and isn't afraid to take chances.  What he lacks is consistency and that will be up to the coaches to address.  There wasn't another QB available at 8 that any of us can definitively say would result in a better outcome for the Panthers.  Give the guy a chance with a decent offense before drawing any conclusions about his capabilities.  Football is still a team sport.

Horn could be a game changer.

Last season our defense was simply horrible at 3 and outs and rarely could get off the field when the game was on the line.  While the D line looks like it could be dominant, they need another moment or so to get to the opponents QB.  Carolina has to put an end to the nearly uncontested completions our opponents were accustom to last season.  Horn may very well be the missing piece of that puzzle.  If he is the D could be feasting on QBs this season.

Bottom line:  Players do not exist in a vacuum, football is still a team sport. 

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9 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Translation: "They didn't pick the quarterback I wanted so I'm gonna b-tch and moan and hope they lose so I can say I was right."

Translation: "I can't have my own opinion, because he'll use my own words against me, because that comparison between Rhule and Saban was spot on."

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3 hours ago, Moo Daeng said:

Does Trainwreck just say these things for attention and shock value? There's no consistency to his takes. Constantly contradicting.

Classic chuck...... I swear he makes a good point, then gos out the rails for the next 20 posts. 

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16 minutes ago, CPsinceDay1 said:

Translation: "I can't have my own opinion, because he'll use my own words against me, because that comparison between Rhule and Saban was spot on."

You can have your own opinion. You've just chosen one that happens to be stupid.

Rhule did a pretty good job last year. His grade for now is still an incomplete, but I'm encouraged.

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2 hours ago, Basbear said:
6 hours ago, Moo Daeng said:

Does Trainwreck just say these things for attention and shock value? There's no consistency to his takes. Constantly contradicting.

Classic chuck...... I swear he makes a good point, then gos out the rails for the next 20 posts. 

Wait, am I no longer "Chuck"...?!?!?

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6 hours ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Sam can make all the throws and isn't afraid to take chances. 

What he lacks is consistency and that will be up to the coaches to address.  

 

What are the underlying reasons for his "lack of consistency"...??

By definition "lack of consistency" dovetails with poor decision making...

...the root cause?

Cleary athletic ability is abundant, so is it lack of intellect?

Something else?

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4 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

You can have your own opinion. You've just chosen one that happens to be stupid.

Rhule did a pretty good job last year. His grade for now is still an incomplete, but I'm encouraged.

Some would argue trading for a QB who is a 1st round bust to be stupid. 

Yeah Saban overachieved his first year too, then came that 2nd year, how that decision at QB work out for him?

 

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49 minutes ago, SizzleBuzz said:

 

What are the underlying reasons for his "lack of consistency"...??

By definition "lack of consistency" dovetails with poor decision making...

...the root cause?

Cleary athletic ability is abundant, so is it lack of intellect?

Something else?

All good questions.  Nothing I've read about Darnold has indicated that he has a learning issue.  Clearly Rhule and his people believe Sam can be coached up or they wouldn't have traded for him.  Still, I'm keeping a closer eye on Rhule after the Teddy fiasco.

If Rhule is right about Darnold, he'll will look like a genius.  If not, chances are Matt will have at least one more shot at finding his franchise QB in Carolina before the axe falls.  

Meanwhile, Carolina will be younger and more athletic on both sides of the ball thanks to a record number of draft picks.  So, whether Sam turns out to be our next franchise QB or not, the Panthers will be much closer to building a championship organization in Carolina than they were a year ago. 

Bottom line/TLDR:  Stay the course, it's a process.

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1 hour ago, CPsinceDay1 said:

Some would argue trading for a QB who is a 1st round bust to be stupid. 

Yeah Saban overachieved his first year too, then came that 2nd year, how that decision at QB work out for him?

 

And some would argue that calling Sam a 1st round bust without giving him an opportunity to prove you wrong or right is pretty stupid.

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1 hour ago, SizzleBuzz said:

 

What are the underlying reasons for his "lack of consistency"...??

By definition "lack of consistency" dovetails with poor decision making...

...the root cause?

Cleary athletic ability is abundant, so is it lack of intellect?

Something else?

 

34 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

All good questions.  Nothing I've read about Darnold has indicated that he has a learning issue.  Clearly Rhule and his people believe Sam can be coached up or they wouldn't have traded for him.  Still, I'm keeping a closer eye on Rhule after the Teddy fiasco.

If Rhule is right about Darnold, he'll will look like a genius.  If not, chances are Matt will have at least one more shot at finding his franchise QB in Carolina before the axe falls.  

Meanwhile, Carolina will be younger and more athletic on both sides of the ball thanks to a record number of draft picks.  So, whether Sam turns out to be our next franchise QB or not, the Panthers will be much closer to building a championship organization in Carolina than they were a year ago. 

Bottom line/TLDR:  Stay the course, it's a process.

 

Let me ask you BOTH a question :

Just what the F did he learn in NY under a moron like Gase?  

It seemed like he had to end up learning sh-t on his own the best he could

 

Him being coached by Rhule and Brady will be the very first time he'll actually be able to LEARN something aside from "Ignore Adam Gase's ramblings and take a guess at what needs to be done next on offense".

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19 minutes ago, glenwo2 said:

 

 

Let me ask you BOTH a question :

Just what the F did he learn in NY under a moron like Gase?  

It seemed like he had to end up learning sh-t on his own the best he could

 

Him being coached by Rhule and Brady will be the very first time he'll actually be able to LEARN something aside from "Ignore Adam Gase's ramblings and take a guess at what needs to be done next on offense".

Darnold's last boss was fired.  Sam deserves the benefit of the doubt and time to present his case for being our franchise QB.  

I'm an old NFL fan who watched a shell shocked Jim Plunkett turn his career around and win two Super Bowls for the Raiders.  Most teams thought Jim was a lost cause, they were wrong. 

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Imagine hitting that QB mark and getting a franchise QB/MVP caliber player....only to not surround the guy with talent and only bolster the defense and keep doing the same thing over and over and not adapting during games. Oh wait...we lived that for the past decade....fuging Ron.

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