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Christensen’s grade per the Panthers


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3 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

The bulk of us were here for the entire charade, so we all recall how that went down. It's kind of a pointless thing to argue anyway. Little is so clearly a bust that it's a purely academic discussion. 

 

Nobody is asserting that LIttle wasn't controversial here, so no need to look it up.

My point was that he was controversial.  

The published  grades I found were  2  others had  as a 3.    He didn't combine well, Hurney didn't get the memo.  

 

 

 

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20 minutes ago, SBBlue said:

Nobody is asserting that LIttle wasn't controversial here, so no need to look it up.

My point was that he was controversial.  

The published  grades I found were  2  others had  as a 3.    He didn't combine well, Hurney didn't get the memo.  

 

 

 

 

Yeah, I don't think I've seen one person that doesn't think that Little wasn't a dissapointment. Not sure why some folks feel the need to be so harsh with their disdain.? He had no control over where he was drafted.

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30 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

I historically exist about from 1.75-2.5 if you made this into a sliding scale.  Why?  I've been a Panthers fan WAAAAY too long to be solidly in group 1 and while not perennial playoff contenders, we aren't the doormats of the League either, so group 3 isn't for me.  I simply go off gut feeling about the prospect for the team leading into each season.  Usually I'm not too far off. 

What's your feeling now?

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14 minutes ago, SBBlue said:

What's your feeling now?

I'm thinking 9-10 wins and either just missing the playoffs or getting a last wildcard spot.  If we do sneak into the playoffs, we'll get bounced early.  FYI, I called 6 wins last year, which oddly enough was considered optimistic.

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1 hour ago, 45catfan said:

I'm thinking 9-10 wins and either just missing the playoffs or getting a last wildcard spot.  If we do sneak into the playoffs, we'll get bounced early.  FYI, I called 6 wins last year, which oddly enough was considered optimistic.

Wow, you're more optimistic than I am.  I am just hoping for 8, but I want to beat at least one  winning team.

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6 hours ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

There are basically 3 groups of fans up in here. 1. The cockeyed optimist, or the "sunshine squad". 2. The wait and seers. 3. The doom and gloomers, or "Realists".

 

The 1s, and 2s can basically cohabitate. Whereas, the 3s tend to...play their music too loud.

 

Though we all want the Panthers to win. By some of the conversations, you would think that is not true. Just remember, it is supposed to be for entertainment. So enjoy it, and don't take it too cereal.

 

Just pick your battles, and never give up. Never surrender.

This is essentially the core of the problem. 

It's just a message board. Calm down.

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5 hours ago, SBBlue said:

Ummm, all you did was cherry pick the weaknesses of the pages of strength and weakness...which most profiles provide.  I pulled the conclusion.

The big font is really cool though.

Yeah, the big difference is you forgot they existed. I didn't.

Scroll back and read where I said he was a polarizing prospect. That is initially what you bristled at. However.....he was very, very clearly a polarizing prospect.

But, if you cherry pick only his positives and don't actually recollect that time period(or read the draft profiles completely), then I suppose you would think he was a shocking drop to round two.

Strangely, if you watched that draft broadcast....it didn't shock those guys either as he dropped....

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5 hours ago, 45catfan said:

I historically exist about from 1.75-2.5 if you made this into a sliding scale.  Why?  I've been a Panthers fan WAAAAY too long to be solidly in group 1 and while not perennial playoff contenders, we aren't the doormats of the League either, so group 3 isn't for me.  I simply go off gut feeling about the prospect for the team leading into each season.  Usually I'm not too far off. 

I used to be 1 but now usually stick around 2 to 3. I am purely in wait and see mode right now. I want to like our draft, but I am also pretty skeptical of the repeated moves down. 

I think most in the 1 category just haven't been fans long. Probably a lot of post 2015 run bandwagon jumpers. The longer you watch this team(and I have been through every single year), the more jaded this franchise makes you.

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6 hours ago, SBBlue said:

Wow, you're more optimistic than I am.  I am just hoping for 8, but I want to beat at least one  winning team.

It all hinges on the offense.  While it looks good on paper, that's just on paper.  They need to produce on the field.  In years we've had a good defense (this should be one of those years) as long as the offense puts up at least 24 points, it nearly always lead to victories.  I have a feeling that our defense will keep us in most games and it's on the offense not to screw up (turnovers) and find the end zone 3x a game.  If this team can just stick to that formula, 9-10 wins should be achievable.

*As part of the offensive output, Joey Slye needs to be clutch in 2021; better than his 80% clip last year.

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3 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I used to be 1 but now usually stick around 2 to 3. I am purely in wait and see mode right now. I want to like our draft, but I am also pretty skeptical of the repeated moves down. 

I think most in the 1 category just haven't been fans long. Probably a lot of post 2015 run bandwagon jumpers. The longer you watch this team(and I have been through every single year), the more jaded this franchise makes you.

^^^This.  Any success with this team is brief, but we usually make at lot of noise in those rare playoff seasons.  I'm still waiting for the back-to-back winning seasons.  This year could Rhule's first one here.  I'm not sure if we make the playoffs based on how other teams fare.  If the NFC has a down year, I think we get in, but if the NFC is hot this year, some 9 or even 10 win teams may not get in. 

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20 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

^^^This.  Any success with this team is brief, but we usually make at lot of noise in those rare playoff seasons.  I'm still waiting for the back-to-back winning seasons.  This year could Rhule's first one here.  I'm not sure if we make the playoffs based on how other teams fare.  If the NFC has a down year, I think we get in, but if the NFC is hot this year, some 9 or even 10 win teams may not get in. 

With 17 games, it seems more likely that 9 or 10 games might not do the job.  

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4 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Scroll back and read where I said he was a polarizing prospect. That is initially what you bristled at. However.....he was very, very clearly a polarizing prospect.

I can see where it looks like that.  I was bristling at the "entire league knew", as if there was consensus, not controversy.  I'm trying to say other teams miss a lot too, the profiles list strengths and weaknesses and the overall draft grades given are often off from where they taken and then don't predict NFL performance or durability as exemplified by our own line with some serviceable UDFAs and horrid early rounders.

Hindsight 20/20 and all that.  

 

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47 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

^^^This.  Any success with this team is brief, but we usually make at lot of noise in those rare playoff seasons.  I'm still waiting for the back-to-back winning seasons.  This year could Rhule's first one here.  I'm not sure if we make the playoffs based on how other teams fare.  If the NFC has a down year, I think we get in, but if the NFC is hot this year, some 9 or even 10 win teams may not get in. 

I think a lot rides on our QB experiment and the OL. I have less overall concerns with the defense, although we do need to consider thar could go South, as well. It is a VERY young unit. They might take take lumps than we think.

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